you go from 15-23 cold damage per frenzy charge at level 20 to 51-76 at 35. Effectiveness of Added Damage: 110%. I've always been a fan of FR but I'm a noob on PoE, do you think you could update the guide and make it a bit more newbie-friendly, maybe with some photos etc for the gear and the leveling part using cold dot? It is like the developers have a gambling addiction and take it out on us. I see tons of crafted mods with like 4 support gems as mods so you can have up to 9 supports on a 6 link. I like the fact I can try and make new builds no matter what class I play with their different class specialties. You will notice that most items lack resists. Existing versions can be updated to the new values with a Divine Orb. And all of that for a game that is SERIOUSLY lacking in actual mechanical game play. Please correct mistakes if I make any im not an expert. You need 30ex in investment to make it barely work, if not more. A lot of damage in the game comes from skill gems. I don't know about you, but to me that's pretty fucking bad.
Because I'm genuinely curious how you're arriving at any of these conclusions of it's "viability" when you're giving up significant sources of damage for this build. Physical cold conversion/flat cold stacking attack builds are some of the strongest, scales-highest-with-investment characters in the game, and Ice bite is one of the more powerful support gems in the game. Nice, that's indeed lucky. Sure, you can probably make it "work", but you're losing over half your damage for no reason. Even with 10k ES, Forbidden Rite is only adding 500 flat damage. 28. Just think you get more out of added dmg if the skill itself scales it. Please consider helping keep the wiki up to date. GGG dont nerf skills into oblivion as you say, just because people on their forum & reddit react as if they did doesnt make it so. I doubt you can get enough cold pen/res reduction to match 90% increased chaos damage taken. God tier for occultist power charge stacking with badge, like literally perfect rolls. 31. Was very hard to not recall having a lvl 9 ice bite after 400 divines used and that was my highest gratz! Reach into the Void and claim your prize. Good for lightning strike too. Thanks for sharing! In fact, GGG had let on they deliberately do so to shake up the meta to get people to try different builds. He was attempting (he used this character as boss slayer/carry) the Uber Elder fight iirc (or normal Elder fight). 8:47:41 , Snolaz 2022. Occultist doesn't scale Chaos better than cold either. The Incubated item drops after killing a specific number of monsters.
The only problem I am having is It might be hard to get that attribute belt due to the atlas changes, how much will this affect the leaguestarting performance of this build? And for reference, I never said Shako was the best way to play Forbidden Rite (or any build). Double dipping is referred to in the PoE community as scaling your poisons/ignites/bleeds with the same modifiers twice, which was removed in the 3.0 beta/release. Maybe I should ask first what do you mean by viability, viability to clear red maps? Balance isnt the game having no challenge. He used Maven influence (an NPC that gives random boosts to the boss and if you defeat it, she captures them and you can later on refight them for good loot). orrr just use totems that have 10k base life and 75% chaos res and you dont care if they die, and easy acces to more projectile with a jewel (projectiles who explode doing overlaping damage). Not the only factor of course, if you can shotgun then it benefits as well, wild strike has a high effectiveness but mechanically it is worse than lightning strike. Forbidden Rite had to immediately be nerfed after the initial league to use with totems and Eye of Winter is still gross with Mines/Traps alone, I played around with Eye of Winter in Expedition and played it to 100, if they release another new skill thats good good chance ill play that too, GGG also revert nerfs as well. Remember mathils spectral throw build with added chaos support and dream feather? You just build differently with Shako. just for the str/block? I wouldn't expect it to be worthwhile if you're already invested in life and mitigating the self damage. I will most likely try out PoE2 (as I will D4 once Blizzard/Activision now MS clean up their acts) but I will never go back to PoE. Last edited by Void_xy on Jan 31, 2022, 1:44:24 PM. This does not consider ES addition on top of health, that's just based on what you build. That's a modifier applying for each stage of conversion. With the damage buff for FR, this actually looks decent. UkoCyanide 2022. As in the thing you do outside of equipping passives and gear. Character stacks attack + spell bloc, a lot of health and armour (works differently than in LE). Not tha I am going back to that game anyways, couldnt care less, just stating my perception/experience. If my build is having trouble/is slower when clearing juiced deli's or wave 30 simu's after my transition to cold damage, then I consider that unviable. They dont even try. They dont care about rising the worst skills, instead we have new shiny skills each season that may or may not perform well. That was either changed or fixed in patch 0.9.6, 1.0 or 1.15. theres still double dipping in terms of gain ele as extra chaos. My two lvl 100 winter orb characters are on that list below. Is it the 35 icebite? 1. I think the problem is what people consider viable. Right click this item then left click an item to apply it. that'll get you in the ballpark.. All though I like Last Epoch: Terms of Use, Privacy Notice and Cookies Notice. How do you know they have 10k base life?
same my friend!! 35 Ice Bite with 10 Frenzies is worth 745-1113 added cold damage. So basically I guess any skill that can use these supports could potentially be improved by this hat, as long as you build around it. ( Question here. This is also when the Decay craft on weapons was extremely popular, as it also was dragged down the rabbit hole of calculating dot damage from modifiers on skills that counted other damage mods as if they were dot mods (essence drain treating spell damage as DoT damage, etc). That's not double dipping. Yeah you're definitely right, it worked on all skills w/ a proj tag. When they nerf a skill, is not a 50% less damage, they neft it to the point is barebly usable, nerfing not only the skill but all the interactions with other skills and systems. Enough defense to carry your build while mitigating a ton of the damage. Nothing weird about that, GGG tends to pull a lot of those. Take less dmg from hits inherently and get chaos res cluster jewels. But Im surprised people are actually comparing LE to PoE, cause Im certain even devs know that is like comparing a midget with a giant.
Not sure how you'd be able to get it without the league going core. To me personally the worst offender is the lack of balance between skills and playstyles. Void Beacon is -20% to cold and chaos resistance and the follow up nodes both give 15% more damage of their respective types. This is very important. I just dont have much time for the crowd that throw their toys out of the pram whenever GGG tweak some numbers down 'cause its always presented as teh worstest skill evah naow!. You can get 3% from small clusters and 1% from timeless notable. Last edited by Snolaz on Jan 30, 2022, 11:47:41 AM, Last edited by Snolaz on Jan 31, 2022, 10:09:04 AM. ), Oh nice idea, I always forget about hydrosphere as a possible option to increase single target.Personally I'm really looking forward to starting with FR anyway, seems damage wise it's gonna be really strong regardless. I don't think wither is super pertinent since it's always possible to get that from a totem. Elder used one of his stronger attacks. The current investment to make any non-spell offensive skill to work is absolutely bonkers. I've always been a fan of FR but I'm a noob on PoE, do you think you could update the guide and make it a bit more newbie-friendly, maybe with some photos etc for the gear and the leveling part using cold dot? Place into an item socket of the right colour to gain this skill. Great gamba, Dude wtf , keep some luck for next league, got 2 helmet buying 90 divines and with the first divine i got 32 ice bite/ / 8 power charge on crit and with the rest the 35/10.
You scaled your hit and move speed with evasion, and all your other points went to chaos, proj, and attack speed, and life. So if you look at the supports in the helmet, the ICE BITE one is one of the bigger damage amps for flicker strike builds. Maybe I get lucky someday, I even managed to get my Shako enchanted already and have basically all other pieces of gear.
Anomalous Forbidden Rite is an Alternate Quality gem of Forbidden Rite. Looking forward to see everyone's own rendition of a build using this skill, or. So if you converted phys to lighting to cold to fire, 100% element damage was 300% increase damage. Sure life is a gamble but to the extent that only the chosen players get the best rewards. I definitely remember doing % minion dmg for poison minions, but I don't think proj dmg used to double dip. its player base and I dont expect anything for poe2 because you cant change the developer, I expect a lot out of last epoch because the developer listens to the players and actually wants and really fun game, they dont want unfair advantage against the players, I really feel this way, I have no hope for GGG they will never change until Chris is gone. It's closely related to double dipping, but by definition, is not double dipping. EDIT: To add to the point of freeing up 4 sockets, it matters a lot to life based self cast FR (not sure about ES based). 15% of maximum Life taken as Chaos Damage per second, A perfectly rolled 100% version of Forbidden Taste uses the wording ", 8% of maximum Life taken as Chaos Damage per second. Check the to-do list of updates needed for version 3.14.0. Idk how ppl get those in there since I've never done that before, but there should be ways to more accurately display the correct stats. https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-atlas-skill-tree/AAAABgAANgMUGYIddB_EJuco6SqELH oyJDSIPl9BX0m8T11ZFFp9Xbdf62AhYn9mtW cuaLZs1HEre6eAeIRuhSeFxI0pjoiQ45F9kkyX RaF4o4mkrKj9rgK6F7sJ0vTUh-Kn5Y_nKOja767x3vV390_4zgAA, https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-atlas-skill-tree/AAAABgAAXQMUBJgE1gaTCBsKQA6zFHcU2hmCH lsgKyJrKOkrhiu6LHoyJDNJNIg2XT7BQG1BjEIMT1 1SO1ckWRRaNFp9XbdgIWJ_YrhmtWcuaLZpm2zUbgZwU HErdPp5w3r9ewp7p3zFfR2AeIRuhcSJkY6IkOORMpF9k kydsaF4oxmjiaSspdio_bH7tRG2-LhKuwm_ssezyyvS9NSH1i3WW9mt3yPfXuJx4qflj-co6Czo2u1Z767x3vWo90_4zgAA, https://www.pathofexile.com/fullscreen-atlas-skill-tree/AAAABgAAgASYBNYGkwpAC3EOsxR3FNoVYRmC HlsgKyJrKOkrhiu6LHowDjFrMiQzSTSINKQ2XT7BQ G1BjEIMRaNHz0nUTm9PXVI7VyRZFFk8WjRafVzcXR Ndt2AhYn9iuGa1Zy5otmmbadxszGzUbgZwUHErdPp5 nnnDev17CnzFfR2AeIRuhH2FxImRiyyOg46Ij9SQ45 EykU2RfZGMkgSSTJ2xoXih4qMZo4mkrKVcpdingqj0qP2x-7SGtRG2-LcruEq7Cb-ywYbDqsVWx7PLK9Ne1IfU49Yt1lvZrdxN317iceKn43 zkjOWP5yjoLOnT7EztWe5c767zBPWo90_4zvkO-rIAAA==, Last edited by Snolaz on Feb 4, 2022, 9:43:09 AM. Kakao Games Corp. & Grinding Gear Games Ltd. All Rights Reserved. It's really more like a 7 link than a 6 link in terms of power, AND you are also freeing up your 6 link chest spot. You will notice that most items lack resists. PoE I love that you can literally play any class with any skill, with any damage type. And in this case, you are giving up way too much damage for no reason. Game data exports will becoming later as the technical changes in addition to regular changes take some more time. Just because its common knowledge doesnt make it correct. There were other particular case that weren't exclusively damage over time, but simplistically, double dipping is when a damage multiplier applied twice in the same damage calculation. Was proj dmg a stat that double dipped back then? That gives it a considerable advantage in scaling chaos over cold, I don't know how this is even disputed. now its more complicated than not. I was always curious what the actual best second support roll on this is to go with ice bite. You obviously have to build it differently. This item can be acquired through the following upgrade paths or vendor recipes: Path of Exile Wiki is a FANDOM Games Community. Levels also don't mean much on it, so the low level has no real downside. His last character before I quit the 3.16 league was Max Block Gladiator.
Anyways, sorry if these comments makes you angry, not my intention. The part I hate is of course the one shots ( i had over 8k health one time w/ 90% to all res still got one shot), but also I didnt play from the beginning, and from reading. I thought I was on r/ diablo2 for a second, Nice just divine that in to my stash now. I'm just pointing out that with that much flat damage, you can make nearly anything that hits viable. Diablo 3 is fun and the combat feels amazing and the developer wants new players, GGG actively hates its player base and I dont expect anything for poe2 because you cant change the developer, I expect a lot out of last epoch because the developer listens to the players and actually wants and really fun game, they dont want unfair advantage against the players, I really feel this way, I have no hope for GGG they will never change until Chris is gone. clear white maps? My winter orb build is super jelly. u/RiNkzIJE 1. Cant take your words at face value, but I guess you have a point, people usually over-react. I am testing the league start potential of this build, most aspect after the transition is promising, but I can't find a reliable source of withered as we can't stack withered to 15 with only withering step and withering presence. How many divines did that thing eat before it turned out that way? Preupdated Earthquake (after nerfs somewhere around 3.5) was garbage because if you walked away, shockwave (that dealt most damage) did not happen and it had like 2 sec delay. Tag: Spell, AoE, Chaos, Projectile. : 1566-8834 | FAX : 031-8017-8800 | E-mail . 10k life totems is apparently pretty easy to achieve, and yes it should work. That's 90% increased chaos damage taken (which is calculated after everything else). Last edited by UkoCyanide on Jan 28, 2022, 12:04:00 PM. Immunity to chaos damage so forbidden rite has no real draw back but damage out put is much less. Ice Bite gives flat damage that scales very well with levels. That's over 3 times the damage from a support gem. Only this one missing - maybe I'll hit it someday. bosses? gotta say, im a little surprised there are actually so many of these, but i guess it makes sense, with how many divines are dropping.
It probably isnt balanced. The projectiles deal chaos damage based on your life and energy shield. Spiritual successor to Diablo 2, Press J to jump to the feed. Its basically the best level scaling support gem. To bad it's a dead league I'll take it off your hands. The best RNG insanity example is Zizarans death in hardcore SSF league. I'm pretty sure it did. Ok I meant if its better, as in if you make a build with FR and this helm. Yeah, that really makes this crazy. Why is this item so good? I play life based version, and in my build from scourge I had 6330 life which is 760 as base chaos, and FR has ~696 chaos on the gem. Thank you for 5 minutes of fame ^^, I must say, I have trust issues since ive seen that poe.ninja calculates my damage as 672k (i kill bosses in 1k depth.
That is why Hardcore is so popular in PoE. Damage taken: 5k HP you will take 380 damage/cast.
So do not tell me that people overracted when they pulled these shits. When they nerf a skill, is not a 50% less damage, they neft it to the point is barebly usable, Pretty much, they dont want people to use it for a while, Also the skills you are referring in general were grossly overpowered and some were left alone for many leagues and some still are barely nerfed, Tornado Shot / Blade Vortex / Blade Blast / Toxic Rain / Essence Drain and more than I cannot immediately list, in Expedition they nerfed everything while at the same time releasing Eye of Winter and Forbidden Rite. : 1566-8834 | FAX : 031-8017-8800 | E-mail : contact@kakaogames.com (* ). stop remembering that thing. Also, Elder must be offscreen to not receive the debuff from one specific skill Zizaran used (Defiance banner - when placed, affected enemies deal 15% less damage to you). Casting this spell damages you. Several mechanics behaved that way, like chaos and poison, which gave rise to things like full chaos conversion poison firestorm back when the 100% fire to chaos was possible, and voltaxic rift poison spark. Cast Time: 0.75 sec. 9:04:00 . 2. Do you actually have an idea as to how subpar or viable scaling cold for FR is?
Literally speaking, have you made a build and actually bothered to reconfigure the tree and gear for Forbidden Shako and cold scaling? He had basically around 80k EHP. With the damage buff for FR, this actually looks decent. Although IIRC there was no real good source for lightning to cold so most people built something with hatred and added cold damage and then cold to fire and you would double dip on elemental damage. (Not in patch note) Increased recovery of Maximum Life mod increased to 75%.
You are not rewarded in any way by being melee range, you are not rewarded staying in place for casting a spell or skill, as how dangerous enemies are, you want something that auto-casts or you can drop into the ground and do its own thing. With Shako, you could just go CI and invest in different stats instead of life recovery and chaos resistance. Similar thoughts here I stopped playing PoE years ago for all the reasons people have already mentioned - it used to be great, but each new expansion just made it worse and worse I have occassionally installed it to see what changed/updated but my last experience was so bad, I got GGG to totally delete my account - even with all the real money upgrades I had purchased. Even if you couldn't apply your wither stacks properly, it still scales chaos better than cold. i dont think what youre describing ever existed though, atleast i dont recall it and i played every month since cb mhm, Yea, I was giving an example that was pretty popular. Absolutely, are they necessarily doing the best thing by not buffing some of the lesser used skills? as the game is so huge and complex, they always find out any skill and/or skill interaction that survived the nerf rounds, and abuse it to the max. What I want to know is, it's gonna autotargets Hydrosphere or not.If it's possible, this will be my 3.15 starter xDWe might use Mahuxotl's Machination + Tempered by War for max res and focusing on Fire/Chaos res only. Void_xy 2022. >Occultist doesn't scale Chaos better than cold either. This build looks rly promising - i love life stacking - imo best def layer. its all right there at your forge. Hey! So this item would probably be worth using if you hit lvl 20 Ice Bite and something else useful, however, it's a lvl 35 Ice Bite, which cranks the cold damage per frenzy charge up to ridiculous levels. Last epoch is the opposite i wish it has more open playable styles any skill any damage type. Like back when fire damage increased both fire damage and ignite damage.
The way I see it is you have to look at opportunity cost, how much you are giving up going a certain path, compared to another. r/pathofexile GGG always wanted a hardcore experience, from the beginning, they are not happy with how easy the game is, in their eyes.
Anything with a large effectiveness of added damage that can be supported by these two really. Bows, claws, wands, and foils are all fairly common choices to build ele damage around. Not only, that it adds flat damage, it allows you to double dip short of through charges. Okay, dumb but genuine question: why is this item good? Oh well, lets hope they figure it out in two years for Path of Exile 2. Hey! Pcoc looks really fucking good, but I wonder what tops it if you already have consistent power charge generation. This affects everything from one-shots, to crafting and drops. I'm not exactly sure how poe.ninja tracks the stats, but on many entries I've looked into, the configurations were missing, stuff like charges, onslaught, number of projectiles etc. If you can get 12 frenzy charges for a specific ice bite shako it might be. Oh these builds are running Badge of the Brotherhood. Pretty ok but nothing amazing. If a skill steamrolls all content in the game and allows you to put every possible stacked mod onto a high tier map with no risk, it probably isnt balanced. I am not a usual redditor on PoE forums, I can talk based on my shit experience with venom gyre + whirl blades (there a huge dps build with those with the balanced strength stacking and many smart/expensive combinations, but Im not expert), a few posts I read how some skills got 20% nerfed from 7 different angles, effectively destroying the skill (I think was something bleed/chaos related? Lightning strike, spectral throw, tornado shot, ice shot, kinetic blast, all of these already decently powerful builds could potentially gain an insane amount of damage off this helmet. You are comparing the two nodes of occultist (chaos and cold), you cannot exclude the value of a 15 second wither, it frees up 4 sockets and you don't need to constantly recast against boss. If a skill steamrolls all content in the game and allows you to put every possible stacked mod onto a high tier map with no risk, it probably isnt balanced. You can also take 3% max res from a shield. ice bite is an old support gem with nutty level scaling. : 144-81-18454 | 2015--0971 (maybe will happen in future) I love the simple crafting dont got to go to 5 different places to craft 1 item. Awakened Cold Penetration Support PoE Gem, The Warlord Divination Card PoE Farming 6 Link Coronal Maul, Primal Delirium Orb PoE Talismans Delirium Currency 3.10, Cast on Death Support Portal Gem, PoE, Build, The Feral Lord Prophecy PoE 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, Yriels Key, Replica Shroud of the Lightless PoE Carnal Armour, Fires extra Projectiles at up to (02) surrounding Enemies. Back then projectile damage scaled a hit, which then was used to calculate base damage of a poison, which would then use the same projectile damage modifier (as the poison was applied via a projectile) to scale it again. Isn't Machination an Ultimatum league drop? Increased recovery of Maximum Life mod increased to 75-100%. Have GGG painted themselves into a corner with the amount of more damage modifiers you can get? The only problem I am having is It might be hard to get that attribute belt due to the atlas changes, how much will this affect the leaguestarting performance of this build?
Everything has become a gamble to the point you cannot accurately assess the risk. Part of what problem? just for the str/block? Since it scales considerably lower you need and you probably know that need 2.4x the ES to match the same damage as health so here's the basic math, Damage dealt: 12000 ES x 0.05 = 600 base damage. Keep the forbidden rite gems and other gems you'll eventually need in the second weapon slots so that you can still level them. Weapon Elemental Damage was the big source of double dipping. Definitely one of the best/most satisfying mappers Ive ever played, This has crazy synergy with Badge of the Brotherhood. They have like 4.8k now and just have a lot of inherent damage reduction. 1. I'm 200 Divines in and haven't hit anything (I'm in SSF, so farming divines is actually a real grind). Refills as you kill monsters.. Pre-changes, proj dmg would scale the hit which would increase the poison though, unlike now where it does nothing for poison. Which is a good thing by itself, me agreeing to their decisions or not is not relevant after all. However not sure if the damage will be worth that level of investment to deal with the downside. Am I missing anything? Apr 02 '22, Nice! or should I consider a wither totem set up for boss fight? Blade Vortex got hammered as the last thing - a skill that is based around having increased duration got base duration lowered by 20% because reasons (it is nearly impossible to sustain it now). Last edited by UkoCyanide on Jan 31, 2022, 12:19:04 PM. this in my opinion has the upper hand in the arpg games. Wonder if at this point Forbidden Rite is better without vpid manipulation if you wanted an ice bite version. All those attempts have been recorded on livestream. More like double dipping's little brother. cast on death mine zombies then swapping in tank gems since all the damage was snap shotted in. Actually what he say is more or less correct. Uhm, sir, have you played Sunder, Molten strike, Pre-Slam updated Earthquake, Heavy Strike (or any strike skill there is)? Level: 120.
Due to how it works its just worse fucking upheaval without any damage nor potential mechanics that could make it more interesting. People like that SHOULD be playing LE. Snolaz 2022. The skills they nerf may not become the worse skill ever. Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled. Perfect synergy with cast on death, new league end build gg, A subreddit dedicated to Path of Exile, an ARPG made by Grinding Gear Games. Refills as you kill monsters. He is famous for dying to stupid shit, (walking to the easily avoidable super slow attack) but he has a lot of BS deaths. Or you can go with a META skill + class and clear everything under 1-2ex total investment. not much, due to having 4% more dmg per charge (at least for power charge builds).