If you've fewer options in the SCENE settings than I have on my higher tier models then I apologies for suggesting that the SCENE finction mau have offered you a solution. I was shocked and horrified to learn that after spending almost AU$10K on his setup, he didnt bother to go through the expert setup procedure, he simply placed the mic on the couch (a big no no), measured one microphone position and off he went. It will still sound awesome. Any crossover settings on the subwoofer itself need to be left at max or bypass. YPAO The Lost Manualhas two tighter microphone positioning options that can give you better and tighter imaging even in larger spaces.
I have 3 recliner chairs placed next to each other. However, when I turned the receiver with actual sound, the center speaker stays muted. Thanks so much for this reply. I will highlight Yamaha YPAO only advice here. I believe both Audyssey and Dolby researched this and found it to be true, however. seems like a stupid questionbut MANY MANY people told me they sound the same. Yes, you need to select the correct amp assign setting in the menu. I apologise for the late reply. I apologise for the late reply. I am very much please for your SimpleOnline web. 100hz).
Thanks for the great writeup. However, with careful microphone positioning and following the guide, you can eek more performance out of it. The new processing will make an even larger difference coming from older gear. This is a pretty old article and Im not sure you still follow comments. Ok got it. 3. iPhone ones can anticipate the exact microphone and its performance. They most certainly dont sound the same as I have a lower-end Yamaha for a smaller room. I apologise for the very late response. Any idea what I could be doing wrong? Hi Scott. Centre channel positioning: the centre channel should be aiming right at the listeners ears. 4. If you need independent advice, or you just want to have a chat about your setup, please see my availability here. Cheers! You need to look in your manual for the correct diagram and corresponding setting for it. THe bass management has nothing at all to do with the PEQ and room EQ correction. Happy Listening! Ultimately, YOU need to be happy with what youre hearing. Of course it did. I can see in my old pattern that changes was made to 62hz. You'd be advised to set all speakers as being SMALL with crossovers no lower than 80Hz regardless of the physical size of the speakers, their rated capabilities or where the AV receiver measured their roll off to be. Calibrate it as if it was a 3 seat couch. Maybe try the troubleshooting steps I described first. Please note that the height position is only available on Atmos and DTS X receivers. You will have to do this in Position 1 above, but use the little boomerang that came with your receiver like the one below.
I will get a longer subwoofer cable and try to place the other sub in the opposite back corner. Hello Roland. Center speaker does indeed play the test tone, both in the manual as well as in the auto set up with ypao. If you have a higher end receiver, you will be able to copy the natural or flat EQ settings to the manual slot and then adjust the PEQ there for your sub. Cheers! The soundstage simply closes down in stereo and opens majestically into the entire room in multi-channel. Both should have the same effect in your setup, Louis. Once the sleep, timer is set, the SLEEP indicator lights up in the front, panel display, and the display returns to the selected, To cancel the sleep timer, press SLEEP on, the remote control repeatedly until "SLEEP, The SLEEP indicator turns off, and "SLEEP OFF", disappears from the front panel display after a few, The sleep timer setting can also be canceled by pressing, STANDBY on the remote control (or STANDBY/ON on the. I do think the new Yamahas especially the 2060/ 3060 onwards with the 64bit EQ makes a huge difference in clarity of sound. Ive run autosetup and gone back into manual setup to confirm speaker parameters for my system. I have just move to new flat, Id like to make new YPAO measurment there with my Yamaha RX-A3070 receiver, but I have lost a base for YPAO micropohone. The 2011 A-800 does have ARC and is 7.2 compatible, but, will not output from the smart apps on the Panny plasma. Can I just mount the Mic at multiple positions to get a multi point setup filter and eq profile from the av software? But it isnt true of the lower-end models that dont have an aventage equivalent. AVForums.com is owned and operated by M2N Limited, The bass in some frequencies are loud and rumbled. If they still come up short, think about aiming the speakers with the woofers pointing at the main listening positions. Hi, If you are having such serious issues, I would recommend making manual adjustments to the subwoofer after setup. Hi all, it is very interesting reading here. However, a few things to try: I set up the ypao spealer calibration with subwoofer volume halfway and crossover set to max as per the manual. I say, give it a go and see how it sounds. This still stayed as text. Move any coffee tables out of the way! 7. Is the A1080 is defective in my case. However, I dont think its needed if youre using YPAO R.S.C. I own Yamaha RX-V781 AV Receiver. and should 7-8 be in front between 1-3. No EQ is applied if you havent copied one of the curves. I still have my 3020 in my studio with Yamaha studio monitors and still thoroughly enjoy it. Copyright 2000-2022 M2N Limited E. & O.E. Hi Michael, Busy times and I cant get to all comments. I employ the good Pre-outs for bringing in the front stereo pair. Europe's busiest forums, with independent news and expert reviews, for TVs, Home Cinema, Hi-Fi, Movies, Gaming, Tech and more. My family would almost never sit in this row. Before anything else, you should go into the Manual Setup section under Speaker Setup and set the amp assignment correctly, dependent on which speaker terminals you used for which speakers and whether you used external amplification. Im not saying its that but I need to ask. Any suggestions to help with dialog clarity ? Ensure there are no hard surfaces that the sound is bouncing off of like a hard floor without carpeting! + it makes the centre and surrounds all large. Is there a trick to it? I can usually switch back n forth fast enough to find the one that seems right for the tune[s]. 3. (Stereo, direct or pure direct will not steer sounds into the centre channel when playing stereo sources).
I bought Yamaha A1080 and performed the auto setup. Haha , Thats so cool, Im loving my Yamaha rx-a 3070 even more so now that I did, I cant believe the difference those couple points made, my speakers are, fronts Polk Signature Series S60s, centre and all atmos, surrounds are bookshelf Accusound reference 8.6xd 200w 8ohm, my subwoofers are two Accusound 200w rms class a/b amps and two Emotiva 300w rms class D amps, configuration front/rears, the yamaha feeds the emotivas and accusounds are daisy chained to them, they sound great together, the best of both worlds, its been a pretty low budget set up, but with a sound thats a worth a million dollars even more so now that I found your info, Im very grateful for, my next learning curve is parametric EQ, just to improve things that little bit more, also a little room treatment, then Ill be having it at all at its best.
Give me feedback in the comments below and let me know how you go! Otherwise use the built in EQ of your receiver only available for adjustment in the manual slot. Or if I simply hook up the rca preouts to the amps and then run ypao? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Thank you very much for the heads up. 10cms forward and repeat above 3 points I did not see it til now, as it did not come up on my WordPress site, despite videopress.com being an integral part of the afore mentioned website. Please let me know if something you would be interested in. Ive tricked and turned just about every setting I can and I can of course turn the entire level down and tweak various settings, but that applies to the 40hz to 80hz too and reduces what is otherwise working great.
For now, just reset your Yamaha to its factory settings and then simply use multi point measurement without angle /height. I have 3 recliner chairs, should mic 4-6 be behind with mic just over head rest? I changed all my speakers and need to optimize the settings again. I have even used tripoles for back surround for an extra wide room which worked well but Dolby would advise very much against it. If the room has the size and volume to accommodate them, they may sound better. If the room is completely untreated, it wont make it sound like a studio. If in doubt, just leave it on auto. Old ears but relatively new to the tech, something like learning a foreign language. Any insights. (Yamaha A2070 + Mission vintage 5.0 set + Yamaha subs), A question if any way to change angle of an loudspeaker manually (I did not find in the software) Im really stuck now. I had it setup and it sounded ok with movies but the bass was uneven when listening to music. View all posts by Roland, Audyssey, Audyssey Dynamic EQ, Cinema EQ, CinemaEQ, Dolby Volume, Featured, Receiver Mic Placement, Receiver Microphone placement, Reference Volume, Yamaha, Yamaha YPAO, YPAO, YPAO microphone placement. You could even design a reference setting and a low volume setting turning this and other features on and off. Good sound is dependent just as much on doing the setup correctly, than it is on buying great gear.
I have an RX-A850 and have done the setup many times, but i still get the age old problem with too quiet dialog and too loud loud bits.. i have DRC and YPAO enabled but it doesnt help. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to follow this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Lusting for avr upgrade to get better YPAO and pre-outs but need to understand my current system better to begin with. Also what I would say is experiment and see what sounds best in your room.
The issue is that it did not have an ARC circuit. The listener is not simply at the mercy of having to suffer some engineers mathematical algorithm to satisfy his jiggles. Hi Roland, It appears as though the numbers in your diagram dont match your writeup. 4. ), so my kenwoods having 6ch/in, I used one kenwood to power my atmos fronts/rears, the other my sides/rears, the yamaha powering centre and fronts, I set kenwoods volume right up, when I ypao, it turns db feeding to atmos, side/rears down a db or 2 depending, so the power match is really good, until I read your information, that when I started reading, I thought to myself this guy knows what hes talking about, I had been using one position ypao and also dynamic range control set maximum, this is factory set, I was getting very bright sound and trying to contend with it by turning treble down a lot, also now with the latest firmware update, you cant turn it off, its now minimum/auto, so after reading your info, last night I set DRC min/auto, redid my ypao using 6 positions, I do ypao late at night, no traffic noise or ambient, I even turn my fridge off whilst running ypao, once done, I then put on The Great Wall, I was gob smacked at the difference, so glad I found your info, prior I think my Yamaha was struggling to cope with such bright sound at the volume I listen at, struggling to up the lower frequencies to match such a bright sound, the overall sound is evenly levelled now, so clear and easy on my ears, thank you so much. It is a good article, gave me some new direction to set up my home cinema well. 1 Home Entertainment Tech Community & Resource.
Thanks. Experiment with placement in the primary listening position and see if things improve. The sub is measured at each position and corrected for as an average! B" to adjust the surround back, Select "SUR. Position 2 you describe as being to the write of Position 1, but in the diagram its directly in front of it etc. company number 03997482, registered in England and Wales. The diagram is actually the original Yamaha diagram so the text is contrasted with it more than follows it. Press NEXT on the front panel repeatedly to, select the speaker channel whose output level you want to adjust, and then press LEVEL +/ on the front panel to adjust the output, and then press LEVEL on the remote control, repeatedly to select the speaker you want to, Select "FRONT L" to adjust the front left speaker, Select "CENTER" to adjust the center speaker, Select "FRONT R" to adjust the front right speaker, Select "SUR. If your Yamaha has two YPAO memories, you could try including two positions from the bar seats for when everyone is around and see how that sounds. I would urge you to follow the article to the letter when it comes to microphone placement, though, before you do anything else. The only other way would be to measure the results, copy them over to the manual slot and amend them manually but youd need a mic and a laptop! If you've fewer options in the SCENE settings than I have on my higher tier models then I apologies for suggesting that the SCENE function may have offered you a solution. The listening issues I face are multi-fold. However, I find that bipole (and tripole) speakers can work very well dependent on the room and seating arrangement. Simple Home Cinema, Using the Installer Web Interface to Control Yamaha Receivers Simple Home Cinema, The Problem with House Curves Simple Home Cinema, Dirac Live Perfection: Loudness Compensation with Dirac Live, Getting Started with Manual Calibration with REW. This is why I have written YPAO The Lost Manual. There can be issues with using the built-in tones once EQ is applied. Working on room in parallel. I have tried to get back to where it was at first but no matter what I do or how I place the speakers the loud bass is still there. Not necessarily. I fully admit that pop, rock, most folk and small jazz sounds best in stereo, while large ensemble pieces to my ears, are better with these false computer generated stretching mechanisms. I thought I wrote here. I think you came to the right place? The resolution will depend on which amp you have (whether it has YPAO 32bit or 64bit).
I have 3 recliner chairs placed next to each other. However, when I turned the receiver with actual sound, the center speaker stays muted. Thanks so much for this reply. I will highlight Yamaha YPAO only advice here. I believe both Audyssey and Dolby researched this and found it to be true, however. seems like a stupid questionbut MANY MANY people told me they sound the same. Yes, you need to select the correct amp assign setting in the menu. I apologise for the late reply. I apologise for the late reply. I am very much please for your SimpleOnline web. 100hz).
Thanks for the great writeup. However, with careful microphone positioning and following the guide, you can eek more performance out of it. The new processing will make an even larger difference coming from older gear. This is a pretty old article and Im not sure you still follow comments. Ok got it. 3. iPhone ones can anticipate the exact microphone and its performance. They most certainly dont sound the same as I have a lower-end Yamaha for a smaller room. I apologise for the very late response. Any idea what I could be doing wrong? Hi Scott. Centre channel positioning: the centre channel should be aiming right at the listeners ears. 4. If you need independent advice, or you just want to have a chat about your setup, please see my availability here. Cheers! You need to look in your manual for the correct diagram and corresponding setting for it. THe bass management has nothing at all to do with the PEQ and room EQ correction. Happy Listening! Ultimately, YOU need to be happy with what youre hearing. Of course it did. I can see in my old pattern that changes was made to 62hz. You'd be advised to set all speakers as being SMALL with crossovers no lower than 80Hz regardless of the physical size of the speakers, their rated capabilities or where the AV receiver measured their roll off to be. Calibrate it as if it was a 3 seat couch. Maybe try the troubleshooting steps I described first. Please note that the height position is only available on Atmos and DTS X receivers. You will have to do this in Position 1 above, but use the little boomerang that came with your receiver like the one below.
I will get a longer subwoofer cable and try to place the other sub in the opposite back corner. Hello Roland. Center speaker does indeed play the test tone, both in the manual as well as in the auto set up with ypao. If you have a higher end receiver, you will be able to copy the natural or flat EQ settings to the manual slot and then adjust the PEQ there for your sub. Cheers! The soundstage simply closes down in stereo and opens majestically into the entire room in multi-channel. Both should have the same effect in your setup, Louis. Once the sleep, timer is set, the SLEEP indicator lights up in the front, panel display, and the display returns to the selected, To cancel the sleep timer, press SLEEP on, the remote control repeatedly until "SLEEP, The SLEEP indicator turns off, and "SLEEP OFF", disappears from the front panel display after a few, The sleep timer setting can also be canceled by pressing, STANDBY on the remote control (or STANDBY/ON on the. I do think the new Yamahas especially the 2060/ 3060 onwards with the 64bit EQ makes a huge difference in clarity of sound. Ive run autosetup and gone back into manual setup to confirm speaker parameters for my system. I have just move to new flat, Id like to make new YPAO measurment there with my Yamaha RX-A3070 receiver, but I have lost a base for YPAO micropohone. The 2011 A-800 does have ARC and is 7.2 compatible, but, will not output from the smart apps on the Panny plasma. Can I just mount the Mic at multiple positions to get a multi point setup filter and eq profile from the av software? But it isnt true of the lower-end models that dont have an aventage equivalent. AVForums.com is owned and operated by M2N Limited, The bass in some frequencies are loud and rumbled. If they still come up short, think about aiming the speakers with the woofers pointing at the main listening positions. Hi, If you are having such serious issues, I would recommend making manual adjustments to the subwoofer after setup. Hi all, it is very interesting reading here. However, a few things to try: I set up the ypao spealer calibration with subwoofer volume halfway and crossover set to max as per the manual. I say, give it a go and see how it sounds. This still stayed as text. Move any coffee tables out of the way! 7. Is the A1080 is defective in my case. However, I dont think its needed if youre using YPAO R.S.C. I own Yamaha RX-V781 AV Receiver. and should 7-8 be in front between 1-3. No EQ is applied if you havent copied one of the curves. I still have my 3020 in my studio with Yamaha studio monitors and still thoroughly enjoy it. Copyright 2000-2022 M2N Limited E. & O.E. Hi Michael, Busy times and I cant get to all comments. I employ the good Pre-outs for bringing in the front stereo pair. Europe's busiest forums, with independent news and expert reviews, for TVs, Home Cinema, Hi-Fi, Movies, Gaming, Tech and more. My family would almost never sit in this row. Before anything else, you should go into the Manual Setup section under Speaker Setup and set the amp assignment correctly, dependent on which speaker terminals you used for which speakers and whether you used external amplification. Im not saying its that but I need to ask. Any suggestions to help with dialog clarity ? Ensure there are no hard surfaces that the sound is bouncing off of like a hard floor without carpeting! + it makes the centre and surrounds all large. Is there a trick to it? I can usually switch back n forth fast enough to find the one that seems right for the tune[s]. 3. (Stereo, direct or pure direct will not steer sounds into the centre channel when playing stereo sources).
I bought Yamaha A1080 and performed the auto setup. Haha , Thats so cool, Im loving my Yamaha rx-a 3070 even more so now that I did, I cant believe the difference those couple points made, my speakers are, fronts Polk Signature Series S60s, centre and all atmos, surrounds are bookshelf Accusound reference 8.6xd 200w 8ohm, my subwoofers are two Accusound 200w rms class a/b amps and two Emotiva 300w rms class D amps, configuration front/rears, the yamaha feeds the emotivas and accusounds are daisy chained to them, they sound great together, the best of both worlds, its been a pretty low budget set up, but with a sound thats a worth a million dollars even more so now that I found your info, Im very grateful for, my next learning curve is parametric EQ, just to improve things that little bit more, also a little room treatment, then Ill be having it at all at its best.
Give me feedback in the comments below and let me know how you go! Otherwise use the built in EQ of your receiver only available for adjustment in the manual slot. Or if I simply hook up the rca preouts to the amps and then run ypao? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Thank you very much for the heads up. 10cms forward and repeat above 3 points I did not see it til now, as it did not come up on my WordPress site, despite videopress.com being an integral part of the afore mentioned website. Please let me know if something you would be interested in. Ive tricked and turned just about every setting I can and I can of course turn the entire level down and tweak various settings, but that applies to the 40hz to 80hz too and reduces what is otherwise working great.
For now, just reset your Yamaha to its factory settings and then simply use multi point measurement without angle /height. I have 3 recliner chairs, should mic 4-6 be behind with mic just over head rest? I changed all my speakers and need to optimize the settings again. I have even used tripoles for back surround for an extra wide room which worked well but Dolby would advise very much against it. If the room has the size and volume to accommodate them, they may sound better. If the room is completely untreated, it wont make it sound like a studio. If in doubt, just leave it on auto. Old ears but relatively new to the tech, something like learning a foreign language. Any insights. (Yamaha A2070 + Mission vintage 5.0 set + Yamaha subs), A question if any way to change angle of an loudspeaker manually (I did not find in the software) Im really stuck now. I had it setup and it sounded ok with movies but the bass was uneven when listening to music. View all posts by Roland, Audyssey, Audyssey Dynamic EQ, Cinema EQ, CinemaEQ, Dolby Volume, Featured, Receiver Mic Placement, Receiver Microphone placement, Reference Volume, Yamaha, Yamaha YPAO, YPAO, YPAO microphone placement. You could even design a reference setting and a low volume setting turning this and other features on and off. Good sound is dependent just as much on doing the setup correctly, than it is on buying great gear.
I have an RX-A850 and have done the setup many times, but i still get the age old problem with too quiet dialog and too loud loud bits.. i have DRC and YPAO enabled but it doesnt help. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to follow this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Lusting for avr upgrade to get better YPAO and pre-outs but need to understand my current system better to begin with. Also what I would say is experiment and see what sounds best in your room.
The issue is that it did not have an ARC circuit. The listener is not simply at the mercy of having to suffer some engineers mathematical algorithm to satisfy his jiggles. Hi Roland, It appears as though the numbers in your diagram dont match your writeup. 4. ), so my kenwoods having 6ch/in, I used one kenwood to power my atmos fronts/rears, the other my sides/rears, the yamaha powering centre and fronts, I set kenwoods volume right up, when I ypao, it turns db feeding to atmos, side/rears down a db or 2 depending, so the power match is really good, until I read your information, that when I started reading, I thought to myself this guy knows what hes talking about, I had been using one position ypao and also dynamic range control set maximum, this is factory set, I was getting very bright sound and trying to contend with it by turning treble down a lot, also now with the latest firmware update, you cant turn it off, its now minimum/auto, so after reading your info, last night I set DRC min/auto, redid my ypao using 6 positions, I do ypao late at night, no traffic noise or ambient, I even turn my fridge off whilst running ypao, once done, I then put on The Great Wall, I was gob smacked at the difference, so glad I found your info, prior I think my Yamaha was struggling to cope with such bright sound at the volume I listen at, struggling to up the lower frequencies to match such a bright sound, the overall sound is evenly levelled now, so clear and easy on my ears, thank you so much. It is a good article, gave me some new direction to set up my home cinema well. 1 Home Entertainment Tech Community & Resource.
Thanks. Experiment with placement in the primary listening position and see if things improve. The sub is measured at each position and corrected for as an average! B" to adjust the surround back, Select "SUR. Position 2 you describe as being to the write of Position 1, but in the diagram its directly in front of it etc. company number 03997482, registered in England and Wales. The diagram is actually the original Yamaha diagram so the text is contrasted with it more than follows it. Press NEXT on the front panel repeatedly to, select the speaker channel whose output level you want to adjust, and then press LEVEL +/ on the front panel to adjust the output, and then press LEVEL on the remote control, repeatedly to select the speaker you want to, Select "FRONT L" to adjust the front left speaker, Select "CENTER" to adjust the center speaker, Select "FRONT R" to adjust the front right speaker, Select "SUR. If your Yamaha has two YPAO memories, you could try including two positions from the bar seats for when everyone is around and see how that sounds. I would urge you to follow the article to the letter when it comes to microphone placement, though, before you do anything else. The only other way would be to measure the results, copy them over to the manual slot and amend them manually but youd need a mic and a laptop! If you've fewer options in the SCENE settings than I have on my higher tier models then I apologies for suggesting that the SCENE function may have offered you a solution. The listening issues I face are multi-fold. However, I find that bipole (and tripole) speakers can work very well dependent on the room and seating arrangement. Simple Home Cinema, Using the Installer Web Interface to Control Yamaha Receivers Simple Home Cinema, The Problem with House Curves Simple Home Cinema, Dirac Live Perfection: Loudness Compensation with Dirac Live, Getting Started with Manual Calibration with REW. This is why I have written YPAO The Lost Manual. There can be issues with using the built-in tones once EQ is applied. Working on room in parallel. I have tried to get back to where it was at first but no matter what I do or how I place the speakers the loud bass is still there. Not necessarily. I fully admit that pop, rock, most folk and small jazz sounds best in stereo, while large ensemble pieces to my ears, are better with these false computer generated stretching mechanisms. I thought I wrote here. I think you came to the right place? The resolution will depend on which amp you have (whether it has YPAO 32bit or 64bit).