i.e. Speed means nothing, best ratio main hand always for non rogues. Burning Rapier and Soulfire were the only "Epic" items in the game (items that required an epic quest to complete. Swing speed is just as important as damage dealt when it comes to aggro generation. So the only way you will pull more hate with sub 20 delay weapons than the tank is if they are using weapons with worse ratios after damage bonus calculations. Re: Rogue Gear List (under reconstruction). Very little gear wise short of weapons and haste will meaningfully affect hate generation until we get into the pop/gates eras, so worrying about a "fully geared raid tank" doesn't change a ton. If you just do max damage all the time every time, you're gonna spend a lot of time waiting for rezzes. I use Serpents Tooth/Vexthorne primarily and a bandolier macro to hotswap Crystalline Spear into the mainhand for Backstab. Also the slow poison is still very useful. Kunark, Epic main, croaking dirk offhand (With how many people camp juggs they are easy to get, until you get VP weapons. (Only speculation), Rogues are not tanks and lose a substantial amount of dps every time the mob turns to attack them. Be patient. Just my 2c, per se. Used to be highest damage primary for rogues for more backstab damage and that outweighing slightly better ratios. (could lead to death), Though it seems to work instantaneously, the macro does actually take time to complete. At a high enough skill, this prevents you from being seen from both living and undead creatures. This allows you to fall from high areas safely without taking damage. I offhanded both on and off because some where better then most daggers. Post Rogues may also develop their abilities in tradeskills and non-native languages. In this guide you will see how to build yourself a rogue from start to finish.
But yeah that's the only reason why I am positive it had a particle effect because I would get tells every 10 minutes asking why my weapon that looked like a fine steel rapier was on fire. My poison proc does 2700 on a regular proc which is more than DOUBLE a wizards nuke CRIT. This guide is to help out those who are thinking of diving into the rogue class. As the skill develops, you can heal yourself with bandages. You will prevent the mob from turning on you most of the time, but will likely still see yourself with aggro every once in awhile. what is "well done" about it? With merchants that refuse to interact with you, you can sneak up behind them to do business. Sure there was no partical effect on the burning rapier! I plan to get and use the trident that the named mob forgot his name drops ? With mob-spawn traps, where simply crossing a certain part on the floor causes mobs to spawn, Hide is not dropped when the mobs spawn. Even the difference of dex on procs caps at 2 procs per minute at 255 dex, whereas your PPM at 85 dex is 1. Using Evade Swing speed doesn't factor into hate generation separately. If you absolutely must be a proc rogue, there is only one combination worth using, the phinny trident and burning rapier. Have you ever replicated the magic of playing EverQuest? So lets look at a few sample weapons. Thanks for putting in the highlights, as well as copying it to a page that is readable =P. If you like peq better, please go back there. Just spam this, lowering your hate number some each time. moment when the tank temporarily loses aggro. Whatever you do, until velious era, try to avoid putting anything with less than 25 delay in your main hand. However, rogues can obtain the Shroud of Stealth AA. Evade becomes available as soon as Hide does, and isn't actually a skill itself, but rather, you evade by using the Hide ability during battle.
the RDotAncient is it 16/19 or 19/19 ? It is essentially a proc that does usually twice the damage of a wizard nuke when it does proc. If you see a rogue that is having a hard time with aggression, they may not know about it. Unlike modern life, natural selection is alive and well on p99. You must log in or register to reply here. You use your highest dps weapons and /bando in a special weapon for backstabs, now. Burning Rapier never ever ever ever had a particle effect.as far as i can remember. Rogues develop their abilities in Sneak and Hide equivilant to their caps for weapon skills. Ranked up with Champion achievements. I loved that proc. I seem to remember a particle effect of some kind on the burning rapier. May as well post about anti-spawn radius and dodging more when you're uphill. Rule of thumb is highest dmg dagger in main, best ratio in offhand. Don't forget that rogues could also use 1HS and 1HB.. moment when the tank, for whatever reason, has temporarily lost aggro. Yea well you know, 6 years of Velious everything has been killed, only thing left to do is speedrun killing Detoxx guilds. After sensing a trap, utilizing this skill disarms it. I don't give a fuck what you think. The proc on the Serrated Bone Dirk was good for the rogue "fear kite" as it had a snare effect with the DoT, sent you up the hate list pretty quick though :p, Btw, on my classic profiles guys, I don't use the stuff from the planes, as I highly doubt they will be released immediately, or even within 4-5months of release. I mean they also featured Thulian Bladed Claws because they look like claws. wanting to revisit the Original 1999/2000 game - Project 1999 or Daybreak. A lot. Yeah the hate spear is nice but looks>procs and the dps was very comparable. You must train up to skill level 10 with a trainer before practicing on locked doors. updated to better reflect changes from RoS expansion. Sneak and Hide can be broken in many of the same manners that an invisibility spell can be dropped. I will edit main post to reflect. Let your tank beat on the mob for an extended amount of time, even after he gets the mobs attention, before reengaging the target. check out the. This, factored in with the delay, will determine your hate per second. Create a simple macro (you may need to add some pauses if lag is bad). what if my character was hacked and deleted. Attacking from behind prevents the mob from using defensive skills against your weapon swings (riposte, evade, etc. However, a rogue that is sensing and disarming a trap before it has the chance to "go off" will not become visible. Rogues do need to be able to reach the back of the mob to cause their best damage, but in most cases, this is not a problem. Only use evade every time you land an exceptionally hard hit (crit poison procs, multiple poison procs in a row, twin procs, double/triple crit backstabs), effectively negating large increases in your total hate, and preventing the mob from turning on you. It is the dichotomic spell for shaman. ", Upon a failed Evade attempt, the rogue will see the message "Your attempts at ducking clear of combat fail.". Actually there are several different parsers in MQ2Mq2dps.mq2Advdps. Many rogues do not know about evade because it is not an openly advertised skill. Rogues are able to employ hiding during battle into another unique ability: evade. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Valuable rogues will find the right balance between evading. This can be seen when spamming the macro as fast as you can: you will barely be able to get a swing in. This is a slow skill to work on, but can be done in large bodies of water. The sky dagger is so fucking rare it's not a reasonable thing. Hmm that's very odd because I know it had a particle effect because I had one in 2000 but the question is when did they change it? Evading is a good way to get skill ups for Hide. 4790K@4.8GHz Delid | Gigabyte Z97 Gaming GT | 500GB 840 EVO | G.Skill 16GB | EVGA GTX 980 SLI | EVGA 1300W G2 | Cosmos S. turns out you can buy that poison and it's pretty cheap too.. Make poison is still pretty useful. Evil race, low starting faction with most cities. Re: Rogue DPS Guide - The Broken Mirror Edition, http://www.raidloot.com/Spells.aspx?name=Roar%20of%20the%20Lion, Re: Rogue DPS Guide - The Ring of Scale Edition. The rogue shows a series of weapon maneuvers that may scare an enemy. by Aniac 23 Feb 2017 02:04, Post Double Backstab becomes available at 55 automatically, and Triple Backstab via AA. Kinda depends on how you're doing with groups. You will likely find yourself using evade differently depending on the encounter and your tank's ability to hold aggression. If you don't give the tank a chance to get ahead of you on the hatelist, he may never get aggro back from you in time to prevent your death (or a substantial loss in dps). Question I have had, why are things like RBB and Cloak of Flames so popular? Purely due to the merchant poison bite of the shissar. it is a copy/paste of work done by someone else. i tried being serious once, in 1989.. didn't particularly care for it.. so don't expect it to happen again. It does not work consistently; it may be considered a "proc" that works on your dexterity level, as well as your skills in intimidation, piercing, 1H Blunt, and 1H Slash. The rogue's success rate is dependent on the skill level of their Hide ability. This skill allows you to detect traps in your general vicinity.
If your rogue isn't using a /bando bs, /doability 1, /bando dps macro for backstab, they're the reasons rogues have a bad reputation for dps. I am not sure what the best weapons for a rogue are. Melee hate in everquest is calculated per swing. Haven't seen anyone mention this yet Use the best ratio weapon in main hand, and 2nd best in offhand. Serp tooth is your best main hand in classic. Looks like serpents tooth primary and smoldering brand secondary is your best bet. Passively spamming the macro will very likely reduce your total dps, though by how much is unknown (it may or may not be a noteworthy amount.). Bonus Resistance of your choice (Heritage), Questable AE Breath weapon (Dragon Breath), Neutral race, low starting faction with some evil races, Innate Tinker (only race that can Tinker, trainable at 16), Choice of three home cities: Qeynos, Freeport, or Kelethin, Choice of two starting areas: Freeport and Qeynos, 1: Decrease Attack Speed by 23% (L13) to 35% (L60), 2: Decrease Movement by 48% (L27) to 59% (L48). Your hate per swing is your weapon base damage + damage bonus. JavaScript is disabled. It is important that a rogue both sneak and hide immediately after escaping, as to remain unseen after clearing aggro. This is correct. Well when I came back to EQ I wanted to make a rogue since I never had one past 13 in my 5 years of playing previously. This is a tradeskill available only to the rogue class. Other skills include crafting and applying poison to their primary weapon, sensing and disarming traps, picking pockets, and picking locks for doors that may or may not have a key. When to Evade When and how should weapon procs be taking into account then? Now rogues are a touch different as you may favor a higher damage slightly worse ratio main hand for backstabs. They can develop their abilities to Sneak and Hide to very high levels. You can't learn it at a rogue GM, there's no tome for it, and there's no button that says "Evade". Most traps are not visible. Once a trap has been sensed, it can be disarmed. ), not to mention you only get max backstab damage from the back. Bought SoD starter pack for $2.50 and got into it. All kinds of answers in this thread that could have been pulled straight from a conversation in the original game. A devasting hit from behind unique to rogues; a piercing weapon is required. Both had fiery particle effectsI dont know when you last saw a BR but it was there since the first one earned 5 months or so into the game. EQClassic.org is in no way affiliated with Sony, Sony Online Entertainment or Verant Interactive, http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?item=703. Passively spamming (pressing the auto-macro when it won't trigger an evade) could have an impact on your total number of swings. if you got money, get the Bone Razor and a good offhand. This skill greatly reduces the aggro radius of mobs. Thus dual wielding sub-20 delay weapons can out-aggro a fully geared raid tank. They are able to pass by both living and undead creatures unseen and unscathed to check on raid encounters that may reside beyond a ranger's ability to track from a safe location, or to drag corpses during a raid where summoning them isn't viable. A weapon that procs like smoldering brand? Rogues also have the Razorarc line, allowing a powerful first hit at the cost of endurance. After evading, if you don't wait long enough, and. It would be nice if it could be updated to reflect the current expansion (RoS). It may not display this or other websites correctly. Save evade for when the mob turns on you, that way it will always be available for that "Oh sh*t!" Bow and arrow; useful for tagging and pulling. I managed to gather 4 different ones now and while I have been reading about ratios and offhand ratio etc I still dont understand it. Lots of Good info there for rogues. This alternate ability completely clears a rogue's aggro from any mobs. This can be a life saver in the rare occasions that a higher level rogue simply forgets to sneak and hide while scouting, especially in raid areas. Though the poison can crit for 5.4k which is insane in itself. Goodness no all my screenshots went with my computer I played 10 years ago, but I promise it was flaming I will see if I can find screenshots of it though. Piercing weapons (daggers). You now have to wait another .4 seconds before you swing again, for a total of a .7 second swing. No offense but burning rapier in your offhand was what most rogues used because of the fiery particle effect. You are using an out of date browser. And it's usually true for rogues as well, but there are some outliers. by Aniac 23 Feb 2017 12:59, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. Use this instead of just the backstab skill - it will swap in your big dmg backstabber only when needed. This allows a rogue to apply poisons to his primary weapon. Rogues can perform critical hits with throwing darts. Extra str or atk will not increase hate generation. It couldn't hurt to mention it nicely. Through pure experience you learn to know when it has been long enough since your last evade, and only evade often enough to keep yourself just below the tanks spot on the hatelist. My friend use to be a Inquest magazine subscriber, and the first time we heard about EQ was from an article in their about the coolest items in the game. You have become better at assembler (0xFF)! This may allow you to stay lower on the hatelist than is actually necessary. http://www.geocities.ws/luthairsite/weaponCalc.html. This is wrong. This is primarily due to not relying on spells or potions that specialize in keeping the user invisible to either living or undead mobs. What I would go with is either a Fearpoint or a Bejeweled Parrypoint (Sorry i couldn't find any pictures for these) for your primary. There is nothing distinct to only delay that means low delay generates more hate than high delay. Put simply, highest backstab damage in main hand, best ratio in offhand. Setup your bandolier to switch between the set with your best weapons, and a set with your highest damage back stab. A more highly developed ability to pickpocket reduces the chance that the NPC will catch the rogue, which can be very helpful in the rogue 1.0 epic. Adapt or die. Won't be messing with that on raids. When exactly a rogue should use Evade is up for debate. This is a defensive meaneuver with your weapon. This can be helpful in parts of Ssraeshza Temple, or LDoN instanced zones. Board index General Reminiscent Discussion Class Discussion Rogue, View unanswered posts | View active topics, Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests, Anyone want to share their opinions on the best rogue weapons and armor working up from Original -> Kunark -> Velious, classic weapons ~ just gonna list the damage ones, there were however some toys like SBD which was useful for a snare, but you research those <3. Make a fully-automatic evade macro (see Macro below) that allows you to stop attacking, evade, then begin attacking again all in one button press, almost instantaneously. Login with username, password and session length. Being too dependent on other class modifiers hurts in the group game the TA skillup was nice but even for a raiding Rogue like me it was a 5% ish dps upgrade. There are a variety of poisons that a rogue can create through the unique, class-related skill Make Poison: snare poisons, direct damage poison, and death-over-time poisons are the most common. hey let's not forget the throwing special abilities.. :). Pass it on! Some traps are very difficult to detect, even with a highly developed skill. Rogues may also want to strongly consider obtaining the Escape AA. If you have to hit lfg every day, not all tanks are as well geared/experienced/etc, so be prepared to swap out weapons to reduce aggro gen until you find the right combo for that current group. Your faction standing with that company could not get any worse. Geocitieshavent thought of that site in forever. will continue to make further updates. Released with TBM. Even with a well developed ability with both skills, there are still a number of NPCs that can see a sneak/hidden rogue, such as liches and banshees in Plane of Hate or skeletons in Acrylia Caverns. Thus dual wielding sub-20 delay weapons can out-aggro a fully geared raid tank. by Aniac 23 Feb 2017 02:19, Post The ability to sneak and hide simultaneously while unseen through high level zones is something that makes a rogue very popular for scouting. Not sure if it's their dicho spell, but if it is then you would get rank 6 after the shaman casting it has done their progression in the expansion. What is my optimal setup and can someone explain how to come to the conclusion? Not taking into account weapon procs. Better ratios will correlate to higher hate generation. As these types of traps are undetectable, one must simply remember their locations. Press J to jump to the feed. Those players learn fast that lost potentials isnt rewarding & just being there doesnt mean anything to performance. Swing speed is just as important as damage dealt when it comes to aggro generation. phin..something? I am excited to get that Dirk from lguk that procced darkness. wouldn't that give the rogue a shit ton of aggro? Your guild will likely help you get to that level of play but if that fails you will soon find yourself out of most guilds. Without backstab a rogue just autoattacking does less damage than the other melee dps classes autoattacking. The need for the ability to pick locks has been significantly reduced after the Kunark and Luclin expansions. Here are some possible scenarios: This page last modified 2022-05-18 18:59:56. While this is not a skill in the sense of a monk's ability to feign death, the result is similar: it reduces aggro generated by the rogue.
To evade, simply press the hide button while your character isn't moving (without AAs to enable hiding while moving). :). As we all know, in every MMO show me a rogue who pulls aggro, and i'll show you a dead rogue ;). ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. "Roar of the Lion" is the buff you'll see on yourself. I have seen rogues played like they are boxed recently. Thanks for taking the time to post this Padriagg, we appreciate it! Also, cannot triple from the front. There are certain zones, such as the City of Mist or Vex Thal, that require a rogue's ability to pick locks, as there are no keys. 2022 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Offhand bone razor is solid if you can get one. by Aniac 20 Feb 2017 12:55, Post Theres a ton of great 1hs that rogues can use too. Not exactly the main question, but folks seem to understand DPS here. It is also possible that each time you press the macro, the act of turning off auto-attack and turning it back on resets your current weapon swing and lowers your overall dps. Looking for info on these esp. One-handed slashing weapons (swords, whips). Unless there was an obscure time where they added a particle effect to the Burning Rapier and then for whatever reason decided to remove it, the Burning Rapier never had a particle effect and only had medicore stats for the difficulty of the quest. Rogues are still dependent on the rear arc and have to deal with all of the times other people who aren't become complacently lazy to maintain circle pins. At level 51, you begin to speed up (gradually with each level) to an unnoticable difference at level 60. So I recommend not using Vallon's or Tallon's and start using others. Combine Hide, pickpockets, disarm, begging, or sneak in a one click skill-up macro whenever you evade. i dont recall it have any particle effect, only the soulfire. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Much like archery, this is good for tagging and pulling with darts. Especially once you make the dd/aggro poisons that any class can use. General rule for weapons is faster/better ratio main hand, highest damage/ratio offhand. In an exp group. So after having done a lot of parsing, I have determined that due to Vallon and Tallon's Tactics lower proc rate, overall dps is better with Etherbrewed or Mana Toxin (and even poison summoned from legs) does more dps at this point. You may have to evade multiple times in a row to lose aggro. Additionally, mobs that would normally see a character using a spell or potion are much less likely to see a sneak/hidden rogue. Upon a successful Evade attempt, the rogue will see the message "You have momentarily ducked away from the main combat. by y2sky2003 23 Feb 2017 08:53, Post With a pick lock set, this allows you to open doors for which you have no key. Privacy PolicyCookie SettingsDo Not Sell My InformationReportAd. Magelo has the most recent version with 19/19 - was it updated at some point? Assasinations (32k point backstabs) become available at 61. Because most people don't understand the base mechanics of EQ. Rogues are one of the premier melee DPS classes. I kept hearing time and time again that even with mercs rogues were the absolute worst solo class, and that other DPS classes were encroaching on their burst/sustained dps in groups as well.