Connell: Its a great group of people. And I really appreciate you coming on and giving us a walkthrough. And we are talking specifically today about asset-backed lending. Again, I think its pretty attractive. And as far as covenants we have, covenants are very important to us and we set covenants at the borrower level, which is the asset level. A "historic" agreement by the G7 is a big step toward global tax coordination.
So the borrowing base should always consist of eligible assets, which, since we set the eligibility, are always performing assets.
And here is where I was tasked to build the internal investment management team. Connell: So, this can be through our co-mingled funds, or through a separate account, or we can also invest directly on the insurance companys balance sheet, governed by an IMA, which stands for Investment Management Agreement.
And what that means is, in other words, we have to monitor the performance of our loan collateral because that is the entire point of our underwriting. None of us did. So we like to say, we wake up and go to bed thinking about risk management.
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I saw a slide from St. Johns University yesterday that showed over the last 15 or 20 years, the investment portfolio, these insurance companies drive results.
Seven months ago, all anybody was talking about was finding yield. Stewart: I think, having run money for insurance companies for a lot of years and working on the insurance side, I think that downside protection is always as front-of-mind for insurance investors in particular. And in addition to those covenants, we also set corporate level covenants and that could be liquidity covenants, network covenants. Information presented may or may not be current as of the date of the presentation, andInsuranceAUM.comhas no duty to update and maintain the information, reports, or statements made during events.
I looked yesterday the 2 to 10 looks flat, 2 to 30 looks flat or pretty flat.
Stewart: So thats a really interesting point. Stewart: And so, I have a weird background, and I think versus kind of some other folks in your space, your backgrounds a little unusual as well, and that you came out of the insurance side, right? So the general characteristics that our loans have are its senior secured, delayed draw term loan. And so since inception, we invested approximately eight billion or so and our primary strategy is in the private credit space, with an emphasis on asset-backed lending. Significant legal events involving law firms, companies, industries, and government agencies. Stewart: Okay. Our Insurance Services Platform provides customized solutions for insurance companies to invest in our private credit strategies designed to meet their specific objectives. These are portfolio concentration limits and theres a whole suite of asset-level covenants you can have, depending on what the collateral is. Sometimes we have corporate guarantees.
An SPV is whats known as bankruptcy remote. So there is a difference between cash flow lending and asset-backed lending.
That helps. Mobile: +1.312.505.1457, https://www.victoryparkcapital.com/ InsuranceAUM.com is the #1 rated industry investment resource. The information presented is provided for information purposes only, and is not intended to be and does not constitute financial advice, investment advice, trading advice, or any other advice, is general in nature, and is not specific to you. Stewart: An SPV, so SPV and covenants, a special, if I understand this right, and believe me, when I tell you practicing law without a license, here we go. We are committed to our mission of education through the distribution of thought leadership and research. So at some point during this journey, I really fell in love with investing out of insurance vehicles, specifically from a life and annuity perspective, which is where I sat. Connell: But Ill tell you what, Im genuinely glad it happened this way. Its private credit, so theres capital-efficient ways to enter that space. Youre a pro. Im Stewart Foley, and this is the insuranceaum.com podcast. Its interesting. All right. Thats a good one, thats a good one.
And when I say delayed draw term loan, that just means we dont fund the entire commitment on day one. And keep in mind that our borrowing base moves, meaning its a dynamic pool of collateral versus a static pool of collateral.
If you look at the ABL market holistically, how we look at it is, you can lend to traditional assets like accounts receivable and inventory, which is primarily done by banks. Add some SG&A in that, youre at, call it 5-ish and the investment-grade corporate Single-A index is at 4%, 4.8% today. So Victory Park Capital, were an investment management firm founded in 2007 by Richard Levy and Brendan Carroll, with the thesis of investing where banks do not. About | Advertise | Contact | Disclaimer | News | The Daily Deal Newsletter FinSMEs.com by FinSMEs is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 3.0 Unported License.
Stewart: Its great to have you. Two, were senior secured in the capital stack so that helps with equity valuation volatility. In my first summer of high school, I worked on the assembly line at St. Louis-based manufacturing company that basically made specialized tubes for chemical companies. Now they have comfort with it because theyve seen the realized performance. So we have, from the covenant perspective, two lines of defense, if you will.
150 North Riverside Plaza Congratulations on your success and the success of the firm. I think these companies can, and in my opinion should, take on some illiquidity premiums in private credit. Before we go any further, lets start off with our first three questions.
And I dont think thats going away. And if you look at our ABL strategy, its a great complement to other private credit strategies in an insurance investment portfolio. Connell: Youre right, its important. And to answer your question on really the characteristics of our loan and how I think these characteristics can help in a time of uncertainty, Ill just focus on four things. I think I hear that at Victory Park Capital twice a day.
Me too. You may have just had some invitations canceled just on that comment alone. All right, so heres the deal. Im a follower of your other podcasts. Connell: I lived in Seoul, Korea, in Jakarta, Indonesia, for three years of my life when I was younger. Already a subscriber?
Weve got mutual friends here in Chicago and were very happy to have you on the platform and I appreciate everything very much. This is the largest loan facility [], Andrew Ross Sorkin, Jason Karaian, Sarah Kessler, Michael J. de la Merced, Lauren Hirsch and Ephrat Livni.
I think I hear that at Victory Park Capital twice a day.
So were kind of insulated in the capital stack. Right now, weve got a market of high inflation. A little bit off-topic, but do you see the flow of funds to private assets continuing at the current pace as rates increase, nominal rates increase? Stewart: I appreciate your kind words, I really do. Connell: That does not work. Were joined today by Connell Haston, partner and head of the Insurance Services Platform at Victory Park Capital. Try our Advanced Search for more refined results, Searching articles in Victory Park Capital Advisors Llc When we first met, and we have some mutual friends in Chicago who are also in the industry, I was not familiar with Victory Park Capital. Connell: Youre right on. By clicking submit you confirm that you qualify as an institutional investor and you consent to allow Insurance AUM to store and process the personal information submitted above. Connell: Yes, practicing without a license, Stew, I dont think so.
So cash flow lending is really when a lender determines a loan size based on the borrowers enterprise value, with a particular focus on EBITDA and cash flow.
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Connell: Okay, here we go. I've upgraded the servers (much faster than before! And we really didnt talk about structure in terms of floating versus fixed rate.
Theres supply chain issues, theres a war going on, theres volatility, not only in the fixed income space, but in the equity space. Connell: Yeah, were certainly in a market environment that creates a lot of uncertainty, and so you really want to be in defense strategies. And, outside of other things we do like structured products and mortgages, which there are ways to access this space, both direct cash flow lending and asset-backed lending where its not so capital intensive. Asset-backed lending follows the same themes as cash flow lending, but its just a different structure. So thats the general structure. Weve gotten a gas tax holiday.
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Can you give me the differences so that an audience, somebody, a CIO that just isnt that familiar with the area can understand it starting from square one?
Its a part of a lot of insurance companies asset allocation. Connell: Yeah. Sometimes we have corporate guarantees.
And given that there could be thousands of underlying receivables or loans or whatever the collateral is in our borrowing base, we have a full team that monitors that weekly or even sometimes even daily, depending on the type of collateral. Its return of capital trumps return on capital. I started in banking trying to follow a prescribed career path. In contrast, asset-backed lending, generally speaking, is when the loan attaches specifically to a borrowers assets and that forms the basis of the loan size.
You have middle market loans and lower middle market loans, and thats mostly where non-banks play.
Connell: Sure. Stewart: And its interesting, Im not a private credit guy, but I learned a few things, and I love learning on these podcasts because I get to talk to guys like you.
And given that there could be thousands of underlying receivables or loans or whatever the collateral is in our borrowing base, we have a full team that monitors that weekly or even sometimes even daily, depending on the type of collateral.
In the direct cash flow world, you have broadly syndicated loans, which they call BSL loans, and thats mainly where banks play. And its great to meet you. So if the entity that issues the thing somehow fails, the SPV entity survives, it is not going to be attached to the issuers failure.
Its great.
So can you walk me through what a typical Victory Park Capital asset-backed loan looks like?
And in addition to that, we actively manage all of our loans, and really we do that by operational controls and ongoing portfolio management. Raised in St. Louis, Missouri. Then from ongoing portfolio management, were able to actively manage these loans because we most often have board observation rights, et cetera. {"search": "/search", "clicked": "/clicked", "portfolio_add": "/portfolio-add", "portfolio_remove": "/portfolio-remove", "portfolio_create": "/portfolio-create", "portfolio_activate": "/portfolio-activate", "portfolio_delete": "/portfolio-delete", "portfolio_rename": "/portfolio-rename", "portfolio_color": "/portfolio-color", "home_filter": "/home-filter", "htmlspeed": "/htmlspeed", "add_tag_firm": "/add-tag-firm", "add_tag_click": "/add-tag-click", "copy_aum": "/copy-aum", "stripe_checkout": "/stripe-checkout"}, {"uid": 42666947, "pid": -1, "pid_a": [], "name": "", "email": "", "blacklist_f": false, "paywall_f": false, "paywall_n": 0, "random_n": 0}, VPC Asset Backed Opportunistic Credit Fund Levered LP, VPC Asset Backed Opportunistic Credit Fund LP, VPC Asset Backed Opportunistic Credit Offshore Fund LP. I certainly came out knowing a lot more and I hope our listeners did too.
The landscapes changing and its an interesting asset class and one that I wasnt familiar with. And exactly, it can be swapped in kind, with an eligible receivable or whatever the collateral is or in cash by the company because they have to meet the max LTV. So, it follows the same themes. Connell: Yeah. (a) Individuals (other than high net worth individuals), (b) Individuals (high net worth individuals), (i) State or municipal government entities, (l) Sovereign wealth funds and foreign official institutions, (m) Corporations or other businesses not listed above. Theres a lot of macro risks. chasten@victoryparkcapital.com Stewart: There you go. QA Engineer of web and mobile applications, Techno Geek + Gamer + Fashionista + Sense of Humor = It's ME, Buy now, pay later startup Kredivo doubles its debt facility from Victory Park Capital to $200M, Janet Yellen Helps Reshape the Global Tax Order, Kredivo Secures $100M Debt Facility from Victory Park Capital | FinSMEs. So we like to say, we wake up and go to bed thinking about risk management.
So in addition to my investing duties, I also make sure that our insurance company investor base can access our private credit strategies in a way that best suits their needs. Three, were asset-backed, which helps with recovery rates in a higher default environment, which looks like a lot of people think were heading towards. And often our borrower is a bankruptcy-remote SPV, which stands for special purpose vehicle, which is basically a wholly-owned subsidiary of the corporate entity versus lending to the corporate entity itself. Please see our Privacy Policy.
So insurance investors now have comfort with private credit. And then from an insurance perspective and an asset allocation, I think private credit, both direct cash flow lending and asset-backed lending have become an extremely attractive asset class due to just compelling risk-adjusted returns.
And thats why insurance companies started getting into private credit. And, those are a little bit different than whats eligible and whats not. And today, as you conclude in this podcast with our more focused remarks, everybodys talking about risk management. The firm was founded in 2007 and is headquartered in Chicago with additional resources in New York, Los Angeles and Austin. Daily and real-time news and case alerts on organizations, industries, and customized search queries. This doubles the Indonesian digital lending and credit platform's total warehouse financing facility from VPC to $200 million. Stewart: We want to hear your ideas for future podcasts. Kredivo announced today it has secured another $100 million debt facility from Victory Park Capital (VPC). What about a fun fact?
Thats at a very important point that its not a static pool. Then after the investment management firm, I worked for mid-sized life and annuity provider. And what that means is, in other words, we have to monitor the performance of our loan collateral because that is the entire point of our underwriting. Then from ongoing portfolio management, were able to actively manage these loans because we most often have board observation rights, et cetera. And if something, if I understand this correctly, if something does default in the collateral pool, then its swapped out for performing collateral.
Connell: Yeah.
Connell: Thanks, Stew. Stewart: Insurance companies are buying private assets like never before, and asset-backed lending is one of those areas. Can you give me the high points of Victory Park Capital? Is that why its done that way? Hometown: born in Wilmette, Illinois. Suite 5200 The firms differentiated offerings leverage an extensive network of industry relationships, disciplined deal origination, creative financing capabilities, and broad credit structuring expertise. Law360 provides the intelligence you need to remain an expert and beat the competition. InsuranceAUM.com is not a Registered Investment Advisor, Broker/Dealer, Financial Analyst, Financial Bank, Securities Broker, or Financial Planner. VPC is privately held and a Registered Investment Advisor with the SEC. So before we go any further, maybe some of our listeners arent familiar, as well. Kredivo is operated by Singapore-based fintech FinAccel. How do you see this asset-backed loan strategy performing from here forward, given that here is a lot different than here was six months ago or seven months ago? Connell: Yeah, Ill talk about kind of our structure and then the covenants that go with that, and some other operational controls that we have. Register today to confirm your status as an institutional investor and gain access to the latest thought leadership in the industry.
You have to know whats happening with clients, competitors, practice areas, and industries. Connell: I think if the loan profile matches well with an insurance company balance sheet, from my perspective, from a life and annuity perspective. So what we did was we outsourced our publics and then internally ran our private credit portfolio, which was focused on real estate mortgage investments, private loans, and structured products. Connell, welcome.
So this is where I like to say, I met insurance, meaning I learned the language, memorized a few states statutes, and became familiar with the rules and regulations when investing out of an insurance general account. In the legal profession, information is the key to success. Absolutely. Stewart: Yeah.
Im really happy to be here. Stewart: And you mentioned liquidity, I do think the regulator, by all indications, the most recent regulatory changes that seem to make it easier for insurance companies to hold private credit, hopefully get some reliefCIOs have a very tough job these days.
Lets go with St. Louis, Missouri.
So I think this is, private credit holistically, aspect lending or direct cash flow lending, really is a defense strategy.
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Please email me at podcast@insuranceaum.com. Stewart: With regard to covenants, I think in private assets, thats a really important consideration because theres a liquidity premium that you mentioned.
And also, I guess Ill add one other thing. And youve got rates that are significantly higher. And I think that continues to stay because its a spread business and if you put everything into Single-A to Triple-A, very liquid securities, its really hard to make money.
All of our loans have floating rate coupons and all of our loans have a full suite of covenants. The floating rate aspect of this helps with raising interest-rate environment, but again, the insurance companys crediting rates, lets talk about an annuity company for an example, seven-year MYGAs are at 4.5% last time I checked, which was yesterday. So its an important point with regard to the risk management and particularly right now.
So, I think its a really good space to allocate some of your portfolio in, especially in todays market, but insurance, its a small margin business, so as crediting rates rise, you still need to make that spread on the investment side. And then, as the borrowing base grows, thats why its a delayed draw term loan, so does our loan.
Thats another form of stimulus.
Stewart: I love it.
Can you talk about the typical structure of a loan like this? I joined Victory Park in 2018, and as you mentioned, co-founded our insurance services platform.
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So operational controls can be, we have security over bank accounts. And one investment class that I came across was an asset-backed loan strategy, which, as I mentioned, is our main credit strategy and a main reason why I thought Victory Park Capital was a great place for me to join in 2018.
So the borrowing base should always consist of eligible assets, which, since we set the eligibility, are always performing assets.
And here is where I was tasked to build the internal investment management team. Connell: So, this can be through our co-mingled funds, or through a separate account, or we can also invest directly on the insurance companys balance sheet, governed by an IMA, which stands for Investment Management Agreement.
And what that means is, in other words, we have to monitor the performance of our loan collateral because that is the entire point of our underwriting. None of us did. So we like to say, we wake up and go to bed thinking about risk management.
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Seven months ago, all anybody was talking about was finding yield. Stewart: I think, having run money for insurance companies for a lot of years and working on the insurance side, I think that downside protection is always as front-of-mind for insurance investors in particular. And in addition to those covenants, we also set corporate level covenants and that could be liquidity covenants, network covenants. Information presented may or may not be current as of the date of the presentation, andInsuranceAUM.comhas no duty to update and maintain the information, reports, or statements made during events.
I looked yesterday the 2 to 10 looks flat, 2 to 30 looks flat or pretty flat.
Stewart: So thats a really interesting point. Stewart: And so, I have a weird background, and I think versus kind of some other folks in your space, your backgrounds a little unusual as well, and that you came out of the insurance side, right? So the general characteristics that our loans have are its senior secured, delayed draw term loan. And so since inception, we invested approximately eight billion or so and our primary strategy is in the private credit space, with an emphasis on asset-backed lending. Significant legal events involving law firms, companies, industries, and government agencies. Stewart: Okay. Our Insurance Services Platform provides customized solutions for insurance companies to invest in our private credit strategies designed to meet their specific objectives. These are portfolio concentration limits and theres a whole suite of asset-level covenants you can have, depending on what the collateral is. Sometimes we have corporate guarantees.
An SPV is whats known as bankruptcy remote. So there is a difference between cash flow lending and asset-backed lending.
That helps. Mobile: +1.312.505.1457, https://www.victoryparkcapital.com/ InsuranceAUM.com is the #1 rated industry investment resource. The information presented is provided for information purposes only, and is not intended to be and does not constitute financial advice, investment advice, trading advice, or any other advice, is general in nature, and is not specific to you. Stewart: An SPV, so SPV and covenants, a special, if I understand this right, and believe me, when I tell you practicing law without a license, here we go. We are committed to our mission of education through the distribution of thought leadership and research. So at some point during this journey, I really fell in love with investing out of insurance vehicles, specifically from a life and annuity perspective, which is where I sat. Connell: But Ill tell you what, Im genuinely glad it happened this way. Its private credit, so theres capital-efficient ways to enter that space. Youre a pro. Im Stewart Foley, and this is the insuranceaum.com podcast. Its interesting. All right. Thats a good one, thats a good one.
And when I say delayed draw term loan, that just means we dont fund the entire commitment on day one. And keep in mind that our borrowing base moves, meaning its a dynamic pool of collateral versus a static pool of collateral.
If you look at the ABL market holistically, how we look at it is, you can lend to traditional assets like accounts receivable and inventory, which is primarily done by banks. Add some SG&A in that, youre at, call it 5-ish and the investment-grade corporate Single-A index is at 4%, 4.8% today. So Victory Park Capital, were an investment management firm founded in 2007 by Richard Levy and Brendan Carroll, with the thesis of investing where banks do not. About | Advertise | Contact | Disclaimer | News | The Daily Deal Newsletter FinSMEs.com by FinSMEs is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs 3.0 Unported License. Stewart: Its great to have you. Two, were senior secured in the capital stack so that helps with equity valuation volatility. In my first summer of high school, I worked on the assembly line at St. Louis-based manufacturing company that basically made specialized tubes for chemical companies. Now they have comfort with it because theyve seen the realized performance. So we have, from the covenant perspective, two lines of defense, if you will.
150 North Riverside Plaza Congratulations on your success and the success of the firm. I think these companies can, and in my opinion should, take on some illiquidity premiums in private credit. Before we go any further, lets start off with our first three questions.
And I dont think thats going away. And if you look at our ABL strategy, its a great complement to other private credit strategies in an insurance investment portfolio. Connell: Youre right, its important. And to answer your question on really the characteristics of our loan and how I think these characteristics can help in a time of uncertainty, Ill just focus on four things. I think I hear that at Victory Park Capital twice a day.
Me too. You may have just had some invitations canceled just on that comment alone. All right, so heres the deal. Im a follower of your other podcasts. Connell: I lived in Seoul, Korea, in Jakarta, Indonesia, for three years of my life when I was younger. Already a subscriber?
Weve got mutual friends here in Chicago and were very happy to have you on the platform and I appreciate everything very much. This is the largest loan facility [], Andrew Ross Sorkin, Jason Karaian, Sarah Kessler, Michael J. de la Merced, Lauren Hirsch and Ephrat Livni.
I think I hear that at Victory Park Capital twice a day.
So were kind of insulated in the capital stack. Right now, weve got a market of high inflation. A little bit off-topic, but do you see the flow of funds to private assets continuing at the current pace as rates increase, nominal rates increase? Stewart: I appreciate your kind words, I really do. Connell: That does not work. Were joined today by Connell Haston, partner and head of the Insurance Services Platform at Victory Park Capital. Try our Advanced Search for more refined results, Searching articles in Victory Park Capital Advisors Llc When we first met, and we have some mutual friends in Chicago who are also in the industry, I was not familiar with Victory Park Capital. Connell: Youre right on. By clicking submit you confirm that you qualify as an institutional investor and you consent to allow Insurance AUM to store and process the personal information submitted above. Connell: Yes, practicing without a license, Stew, I dont think so.
So cash flow lending is really when a lender determines a loan size based on the borrowers enterprise value, with a particular focus on EBITDA and cash flow.
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Connell: Okay, here we go. I've upgraded the servers (much faster than before! And we really didnt talk about structure in terms of floating versus fixed rate.
Theres supply chain issues, theres a war going on, theres volatility, not only in the fixed income space, but in the equity space. Connell: Yeah, were certainly in a market environment that creates a lot of uncertainty, and so you really want to be in defense strategies. And, outside of other things we do like structured products and mortgages, which there are ways to access this space, both direct cash flow lending and asset-backed lending where its not so capital intensive. Asset-backed lending follows the same themes as cash flow lending, but its just a different structure. So thats the general structure. Weve gotten a gas tax holiday.
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Can you give me the differences so that an audience, somebody, a CIO that just isnt that familiar with the area can understand it starting from square one?
Its a part of a lot of insurance companies asset allocation. Connell: Yeah. Sometimes we have corporate guarantees.
And given that there could be thousands of underlying receivables or loans or whatever the collateral is in our borrowing base, we have a full team that monitors that weekly or even sometimes even daily, depending on the type of collateral. Its return of capital trumps return on capital. I started in banking trying to follow a prescribed career path. In contrast, asset-backed lending, generally speaking, is when the loan attaches specifically to a borrowers assets and that forms the basis of the loan size.
You have middle market loans and lower middle market loans, and thats mostly where non-banks play.
Connell: Sure. Stewart: And its interesting, Im not a private credit guy, but I learned a few things, and I love learning on these podcasts because I get to talk to guys like you.
And given that there could be thousands of underlying receivables or loans or whatever the collateral is in our borrowing base, we have a full team that monitors that weekly or even sometimes even daily, depending on the type of collateral.
In the direct cash flow world, you have broadly syndicated loans, which they call BSL loans, and thats mainly where banks play. And its great to meet you. So if the entity that issues the thing somehow fails, the SPV entity survives, it is not going to be attached to the issuers failure.
Its great.
So can you walk me through what a typical Victory Park Capital asset-backed loan looks like?
And in addition to that, we actively manage all of our loans, and really we do that by operational controls and ongoing portfolio management. Raised in St. Louis, Missouri. Then from ongoing portfolio management, were able to actively manage these loans because we most often have board observation rights, et cetera. {"search": "/search", "clicked": "/clicked", "portfolio_add": "/portfolio-add", "portfolio_remove": "/portfolio-remove", "portfolio_create": "/portfolio-create", "portfolio_activate": "/portfolio-activate", "portfolio_delete": "/portfolio-delete", "portfolio_rename": "/portfolio-rename", "portfolio_color": "/portfolio-color", "home_filter": "/home-filter", "htmlspeed": "/htmlspeed", "add_tag_firm": "/add-tag-firm", "add_tag_click": "/add-tag-click", "copy_aum": "/copy-aum", "stripe_checkout": "/stripe-checkout"}, {"uid": 42666947, "pid": -1, "pid_a": [], "name": "", "email": "", "blacklist_f": false, "paywall_f": false, "paywall_n": 0, "random_n": 0}, VPC Asset Backed Opportunistic Credit Fund Levered LP, VPC Asset Backed Opportunistic Credit Fund LP, VPC Asset Backed Opportunistic Credit Offshore Fund LP. I certainly came out knowing a lot more and I hope our listeners did too.
The landscapes changing and its an interesting asset class and one that I wasnt familiar with. And exactly, it can be swapped in kind, with an eligible receivable or whatever the collateral is or in cash by the company because they have to meet the max LTV. So, it follows the same themes. Connell: Yeah. (a) Individuals (other than high net worth individuals), (b) Individuals (high net worth individuals), (i) State or municipal government entities, (l) Sovereign wealth funds and foreign official institutions, (m) Corporations or other businesses not listed above. Theres a lot of macro risks. chasten@victoryparkcapital.com Stewart: There you go. QA Engineer of web and mobile applications, Techno Geek + Gamer + Fashionista + Sense of Humor = It's ME, Buy now, pay later startup Kredivo doubles its debt facility from Victory Park Capital to $200M, Janet Yellen Helps Reshape the Global Tax Order, Kredivo Secures $100M Debt Facility from Victory Park Capital | FinSMEs. So we like to say, we wake up and go to bed thinking about risk management.
So in addition to my investing duties, I also make sure that our insurance company investor base can access our private credit strategies in a way that best suits their needs. Three, were asset-backed, which helps with recovery rates in a higher default environment, which looks like a lot of people think were heading towards. And often our borrower is a bankruptcy-remote SPV, which stands for special purpose vehicle, which is basically a wholly-owned subsidiary of the corporate entity versus lending to the corporate entity itself. Please see our Privacy Policy.
So insurance investors now have comfort with private credit. And then from an insurance perspective and an asset allocation, I think private credit, both direct cash flow lending and asset-backed lending have become an extremely attractive asset class due to just compelling risk-adjusted returns.
And thats why insurance companies started getting into private credit. And, those are a little bit different than whats eligible and whats not. And today, as you conclude in this podcast with our more focused remarks, everybodys talking about risk management. The firm was founded in 2007 and is headquartered in Chicago with additional resources in New York, Los Angeles and Austin. Daily and real-time news and case alerts on organizations, industries, and customized search queries. This doubles the Indonesian digital lending and credit platform's total warehouse financing facility from VPC to $200 million. Stewart: We want to hear your ideas for future podcasts. Kredivo announced today it has secured another $100 million debt facility from Victory Park Capital (VPC). What about a fun fact?
Thats at a very important point that its not a static pool. Then after the investment management firm, I worked for mid-sized life and annuity provider. And what that means is, in other words, we have to monitor the performance of our loan collateral because that is the entire point of our underwriting. Then from ongoing portfolio management, were able to actively manage these loans because we most often have board observation rights, et cetera. And if something, if I understand this correctly, if something does default in the collateral pool, then its swapped out for performing collateral.
Connell: Yeah.
Connell: Thanks, Stew. Stewart: Insurance companies are buying private assets like never before, and asset-backed lending is one of those areas. Can you give me the high points of Victory Park Capital? Is that why its done that way? Hometown: born in Wilmette, Illinois. Suite 5200 The firms differentiated offerings leverage an extensive network of industry relationships, disciplined deal origination, creative financing capabilities, and broad credit structuring expertise. Law360 provides the intelligence you need to remain an expert and beat the competition. InsuranceAUM.com is not a Registered Investment Advisor, Broker/Dealer, Financial Analyst, Financial Bank, Securities Broker, or Financial Planner. VPC is privately held and a Registered Investment Advisor with the SEC. So before we go any further, maybe some of our listeners arent familiar, as well. Kredivo is operated by Singapore-based fintech FinAccel. How do you see this asset-backed loan strategy performing from here forward, given that here is a lot different than here was six months ago or seven months ago? Connell: Yeah, Ill talk about kind of our structure and then the covenants that go with that, and some other operational controls that we have. Register today to confirm your status as an institutional investor and gain access to the latest thought leadership in the industry.
You have to know whats happening with clients, competitors, practice areas, and industries. Connell: I think if the loan profile matches well with an insurance company balance sheet, from my perspective, from a life and annuity perspective. So what we did was we outsourced our publics and then internally ran our private credit portfolio, which was focused on real estate mortgage investments, private loans, and structured products. Connell, welcome.
So this is where I like to say, I met insurance, meaning I learned the language, memorized a few states statutes, and became familiar with the rules and regulations when investing out of an insurance general account. In the legal profession, information is the key to success. Absolutely. Stewart: Yeah.
Im really happy to be here. Stewart: And you mentioned liquidity, I do think the regulator, by all indications, the most recent regulatory changes that seem to make it easier for insurance companies to hold private credit, hopefully get some reliefCIOs have a very tough job these days.
Lets go with St. Louis, Missouri.
So I think this is, private credit holistically, aspect lending or direct cash flow lending, really is a defense strategy.
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Please email me at podcast@insuranceaum.com. Stewart: With regard to covenants, I think in private assets, thats a really important consideration because theres a liquidity premium that you mentioned.
And also, I guess Ill add one other thing. And youve got rates that are significantly higher. And I think that continues to stay because its a spread business and if you put everything into Single-A to Triple-A, very liquid securities, its really hard to make money.
All of our loans have floating rate coupons and all of our loans have a full suite of covenants. The floating rate aspect of this helps with raising interest-rate environment, but again, the insurance companys crediting rates, lets talk about an annuity company for an example, seven-year MYGAs are at 4.5% last time I checked, which was yesterday. So its an important point with regard to the risk management and particularly right now.
So, I think its a really good space to allocate some of your portfolio in, especially in todays market, but insurance, its a small margin business, so as crediting rates rise, you still need to make that spread on the investment side. And then, as the borrowing base grows, thats why its a delayed draw term loan, so does our loan.
Thats another form of stimulus.
Stewart: I love it.
Can you talk about the typical structure of a loan like this? I joined Victory Park in 2018, and as you mentioned, co-founded our insurance services platform.
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So operational controls can be, we have security over bank accounts. And one investment class that I came across was an asset-backed loan strategy, which, as I mentioned, is our main credit strategy and a main reason why I thought Victory Park Capital was a great place for me to join in 2018.