God Bless you Michelle. >> So you and I and Taylor are all in perfect agreement: homosexual acting out is statistically, overwhelmingly, the cause of the pedophilia abomination networks- that great Sign of the times. People need to accept this fact and learn. Our faith is 2000 years old. Perhaps we should also recall that there are people with same sex attraction who live chastely and follow Church teaching. The Holy Spirit Himself rejects your simplification of the destruction of Sodom. That is why the text is about hospitality: Lot has taken in guests, so he must save them, even by sacrificing his daughters. That andrew would suggest such citations are bigotry demonstrates that he is blind to basic realities. They couldnt imagine something as disordered as homosexuality being compared in any way with the sins of heterosexual men. You are very lost in your flawed Biblical theology that you would allow a footnote from some modern biblical scholar about passage not even the same as Gen 19 to trump God the Holy Spirit. It wasnt until later when the movement got serious about trying to hoodwink mainstream society into acceptance that they decided that their core perversions werent acceptable enough, and so they slathered on the the makeup thickly. When your heart sings for joy that you have been accounted worthy to suffer for well-doing, then we will have that most precious of all things: You are serving God here, strengthening a priest who just might become a saint. your a liar. Pretty far from the goodness of God, and the light of truth.

Thank you for a wonderful article that rebukes such a twisted and laughable understanding of clear scripture. May many follow your path. They have chosen homosexuality as the issue by which to destroy the vestigial legal protections of the Church in this phase of the great apostasy. What is staring us all in the face however is that there is societal onslaught to coerce people into giving full-throated approval to homosexual acts. According to news reports, the chapel at West Point recently witnessed its first same-sex marriage ceremony. As a Jew I will clarify that the text indeed speaks about carnal relations, demanded by a crowd essentially a gang. But of itself, this text from Ezekiel does remind us that widespread homosexuality is not the only sin of Sodom.

I feel like I am a mythical and controversial piece in the discourse on SSA and homosexuality. Lets just call it what it is, okay? So how could TEMPTATIONS be anything else but the sins of the flesh? Some argue that it is a literary device meant to illustrate how truly detestable the wickedness is in Sodom. This was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy.

Mine is drawn under the fidelity of one man/one woman, and if single, chaste. Im sorry if Im somewhat off topic. People educated in Theology could recognize your silliness! Please post more articles on the topic of SSA. Truly I tell you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.. for lewd is : obscene, carnal, impure, lustful, immoral, indecent, etc. Now show your side of the argument. Where is your moral line drawn? Excellent, excellent article. Note well that EVERY MAN IN TOWN, young men and old men, eagerly turned out to participate in the rape, akin to what happened in Judges 19:16-24. Im posting this right on top of Andrews comment to show the world Andrews stupidity. Do you have the citation from the Summa? Sadly I will not, as per usual in this matter I expect to get it with both barrels. Of course solitary self abuse especially if unconnected to pornography has less immediate social consequence that fornication, adultery or homosexual acts, all of which seduce and involve others in sin. Satan hates it!!! (Monsignor Pope is in a better position than I to clarify how YHW occasionally identified with his messengers). Thanks. I have the utmost compassion for those who suffer from SSA and believe that having SSA is not sinful at all, but needs to be controlled and treated if necessary. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. Celibacy Is for you the gift that God offers. Its disordered. In my case I think I was gifted with so much empathy for others, but with secular lines so blurred, it was difficult to draw a line between brotherly love and compassion and sexual/carnal lovebut researching the position of the Catholic Church is what pulled me out of that former thinking. Sodom and Gomorrah. Widespread homosexual practice is surely the keynote of condemnation received by these cities and attempts to recast the matter as a hospitality issue must be seen for the fanciful distortion they are. Thank you for your courage. You have already confessed to censoring your comments, and allowing through only those who agree. My concern is in identifying a mother of all sins (homosexuality) rather than the destructive nature of sin itself. Satan is arrogant and prideful. You are not alone!

At West Point there is Most Holy Trinity, a Catholic only chapel.

Also: some atheists wickedly add verses to the account of Lot to make God appear evil. It does not.

They refused to offer shelter to the two visiting angels who entered their city that evening. Charles Pope dismantles a tedious meme, http://www.tfpstudentaction.org/politically-incorrect/homosexuality/10-reasons-why-homosexual-marriage-is-harmful-and-must-be-opposed.html, St. Peter's List: Commentary on the 4 Sins that Cry to Heaven for Vengeance, A Magnificent Description of the Immigrant Church of 1900-1950, The Priority of Personal Prayer A Meditation on the Gospel of the 16th Sunday of the Year. Im pretty sure St. Thomas includes masturbation in the unnatural vice which he describes as follows: I answer that, In every genus, worst of all is the corruption of the principle on which the rest depend.

I am a theologian and seminarian who is studying Bible Hermeneutics. By the grace and loving goodness of God, I have been celibate since that realization. Not receiving that approval on your own terms, you then assign sinfulness. Of course, this entails leaving the Christian Faith, but perhaps such a stark choice will save a few souls. Im not really sure if I agree with it, but St. Thomas Aquinas believed *masturbation* to be a worse crime than a sexually disordered act between two people of the same sex. Clareflourish my dear, May God bless you, and may you have a wonderful Christmas season. And I would trust St. Jude who walked with our Lord and heard his teachings daily, far more than Ganzalo. So keep up the good work and words. The government is legalizing your acts but it does not mean it is moral and right. Really? For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world. Hence we see that, while we should avoid seeing the sin of Sodom as only widespread homosexual acts (for what city has only one sin? Liberals are FULL of LIES just like Andrew, below! Pedophilia remains a horror to which most people are strongly opposed.

We can not turn a blind eye to the Scriptures as written in Ezekiel 16: 49 Now look at the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters were proud, sated with food, complacent in prosperity.

Monsignor Popes article responds to contemporary political pressure I got push-back from certain homosexuals within the context of Old Covenant Laws. As you enter the house, greet it. That is also why NO HOMOSEXUAL should be trusted to be near children while unsupervised.

Only a minority still condemn us- but it is the falsehood that they are following God in doing that, which I object to. The recent invention by activist, revisionist homosexuals that the sin of Sodom was inhospitality is simply brilliant, albeit evil, marketing, courtesy of Kirk and Madsen, two Madison Avenue marketing pros intent on selling perversion to the public at large. Jesus is sending the disciples out to proclaim the good news they have received from him in regard to the kingdom of heaven approaching. You love sin sooooo much, this darkness called sin has become your light! The story of how strangers in a town were treated by the locals? .

. They add the verse Lot took his daughter and threw her outside, and the men raped her to death until morning to the account.

indulged in sexual promiscuity and practiced unnatural vice, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire..

As for the sins of injustice, they are mentioned in the article and have been dealt with here elsewhere on the blog.

He says that God condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah [to destruction], reducing them to ashes . Therein lies the difference. Ezekiel 33:26 also speaks of abominations, but does not clarify the word at all. he rescued Lot, a righteous man oppressed by the licentious conduct of unprincipled people., Similarly, Jude 1:7 unmistakably links Sodom to homosexuality without any reference to hospitality.

Its always informative when discoursing with homosexual activists who love to point out that Jesus never mentioned homosexuality (he never mentions a host of behaviors that we know as sin) that they are also unwilling to believe the things that Christ did explicitly say. Hmm according to my Calendar, Jude, and Ezekiel lived before Justinian. However only my husband enjoys a sexually loving relationship with me. . They [Lots daughters] were neglected, while men were inflamed with desires of each other. If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake off the dust from your feet as you leave that house or town. When we find ourselves abhorred by the opposite sex we shouldnt just stop and accept that we are homosexual.we should seek to learn, to grow, to be able to reach the place where we *can* love the opposite sex. If however I say homosexual acts are sinfulwell, weve already had a foretaste of what is going to happen: weve seen people fired from jobs, parents denied the ability to opt their child out of a school program teaching that same-sex marriage is good and normal, amazingly we saw one high school student threatened with expulsion and berated for hours on end for writing a con side to a pro/con school newspaper article on same-sex marriage that he was asked to write, and finally one woman had to flee the country with her daughter because she converted to Christianity and appropriately told creepy ex-lesbian spouse with no biological connection to the daugher to hit the road, but the judge insanely awarded her custody. This is plausible but not clear.

We are martyrs, the slow kind. The words evoke images of sexual depravity, unbounded lust, and moral perversion. Seems to me that sprinkling a bit of holy water on the West Point chapel wouldnt be a bad idea. The former is the First Act of the Mind (understanding) the later is the Second Act of the Mind (judging). Interpretation answers the question, what does the text think of homosexual acts, Belief answers the question, what do I think of homosexual acts. Those who deny that homosexual acts are disordered should just admit they dont BELIEVE what the Bible teaches instead of pretending they are interpreting the text. Your California Privacy Rights / Privacy Policy. Great writing as always. Haydocks interpretation doesnt really hold together: How could Lot have promised his daughters to some of the inhabitants, when all the men from every part of the city of Sodomboth young and oldsurrounded the house were participating in the homosexuality?

As for the hospitality silliness, While not discounting that there were many sins in Sodom, your analysis cannot stand. Two thousand years of this interpretation have settled the matter for some in the Christian Church, a view that has served to reinforce their prejudice against homosexuals. The problem with that is that you prevent people hearing both sides of the argument. Our thinking is not.

Nevertheless, archaeology alone cannot support or refute the (re? RE: The Sin of Sodom and Gomorrah is not about Hospitality By: Mngr. Correction: I Guess this is their strategy not there. Just because you repeat your lies over and over again it doesnt make it the truth. There are also passages linking Sodom to homosexuality: maybe Isaiah, maybe Jeremiah, maybe Ezekiel, Peter, and Jude. And yet Catholics service members attend Mass in them. In S&G, they do have the excuse of never having heard the Good News. . How many times have I had semi heated internet exchanges with those whom like to think of themselves as upstanding Christians but who finally admit to indulging in this dirty little secret.

Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men. (1Corinthians 6:9), If anyone who knows their history knows this fact, then it should be a simple matter for Andrew to argue his point as effectively as the Monsignor has in this bog post.

Lord, have mercy on us and on the whole world. I realize that homosexuality continues to be mainstreamed. Though other scriptural passages have been raised that are claimed to condemn homosexual activity as sinful, they must all be considered in light of the ignorance of the biblical writers in regard to sexual orientation. 9The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: It cannot be inhospitality that Lot witnessed and was vexed by day to day, but sexual wickedness.

Msgr. If someone were to say, Well, your homosexual acts are sinful, but my fornication isnt. Then you would have a point. The god of Self does not like to be told no and when it has enough power to enforce its will, will not take no for an answer. They do it by grossly spinning their so-called news stories so they are more opinion pieces than news (but lie about it regularly when confronted). Even the discovery of a fresco or relief of a presbyter standing at a freestanding altar would not necessarily resolve the question of versus pop for 21st century luirigtcal Christians. God bless you for having embraced the cross of true sacrificial love. Pedophilia will certainly follow I guarantee it. Harry Hay was one of its progenitors. I think those who strive to deny that homosexuality has anything to do with it are engaged in fanciful thinking., But that said, I dont think it follows that the vast majority of homosexual men have an inclination to abuse teenage boys., >> Since that was never asserted in the first place, our disagreements still total up to zero so far. Are homosexuals sometimes also pedophiles? For Me, this sin against nature is so abominable that, for it alone, five cities were submersed, by virtue of the judgment of My Divine Justice, which could no longer bear them. Thanks for repeating the real message of this biblical event, Msgr. Have mercy on all of us, let YOUR Love, oh GOD be our path. In addition, the unknown author of the Letter to the Hebrews reminds Christians, Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by doing that some have entertained angels without knowing it (Hebrews 13:2), strongly suggesting that the true sin of the Sodomites was inhospitality. I GUESS THIS IS THERE STRATEGY. Love Lightens Every Load A Homily for the 15th Sunday of the Year. You are in my prayers. 2022 www.telegram.com. God bless you! You clarify so well. It seems to me that it is ludicrous to say that a city deserves to be utterly destroyed by torrents of fire for a possible breach of hospitality, but that the entire city converging to commit violent gang-rape and sodomy is A-OK. Thank God for that, it would be a sin against the First Commandment for a Catholic priest or bishop to consecrate such a temple of the Pantheon. Perhaps youre just posting an automatic talking point. Youre right Monsignor, Aquinas never said this.

. I pray your teaching will have a positive effect on some of those with SSA, especially the screamers.

Current homosexuals desperately wish to wash away their sin, and hope that by renaming itor oppressing people with it politically it can somehow be magically justified. It is plausible that this refers to homosexuality, to an effeminate appearance; it is not clear. If Lot was inhospitable then why was it that he saved while the so-called hospitable people were punished. Courageous post, Msgr. Yeah, we are killing it. The notion that homosexuality is somehow sheltered from criticism by political correctness in our day is fallacious, because proof aplenty exists for homosexual rape and homosexual murder based on being barred from having relations, one incident which I saw occur in Italy. St Jude who walked with Jesus and whose writing is inspired by the Holy Spirit says Sodom was destroyed for sexual immorality and perversion. and bring you to everlasting life.

But not everything in the Bible is told with approval I think what Lot did was detestable. There are at least a dozen Old Testament texts that refer to Sodom and not one of them suggests that the evil of Sodom had anything whatsoever to do with homosexuality. I call for an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to correct the current faulty voting system. Inns and safe places to spend the night were scarce. You are meant to be a holy person, a child of GOD and believe me this lifestyle you have chosen will not make you holy. I dont suppose you read the post? good answer, Emily. We welcome everyone and the gifts they bring into the full life and ministry of our church family. Genesis 19 speaks plainly of the sin, Ezekiel 16 broadens the description but retains the word abomination, and Jude 7 clearly attests to sexual perversion as being the central sin with which Sodom and Gomorrah were connected. When the violent crowd surrounds his house demanding that he send out the visitors, he goes outside and offers his two virgin daughters instead. Jesus is quite clear that he believes that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because they were inhospitable. To those who claim are attempting to relate homosexuality and pedophilia: where are you getting your information? I have not sinned against you.

As we have seen recently in the Middle East and in the Benghazi story still developing, homosexual attacks are used to demean. Its terribly sad.

This historic evolution cannot be discarded in favor of patristic era conjecture. I await his well-reasoned and well-supported defense of his point. We know today, however, that a gay or lesbian person is naturally attracted to those of the same sex. If that law is enacted, then it may carry over to heterosexual relationships (adult women and boys recall the problem of teachers and their students in the news.). As always, I thoroughly enjoy your writings. But you have clarified that this is not your claim.

Msgr., thank you for speaking the truth, and for shining a light unto the darkness.

Whenever I read on this subject I reflect upon the dangers that surround us in our current culture.

While I found the passage I was referring to in a blog, I was disappointed that they didnt have the proper citation: I will take the Holy Spirits analysis of the text over yours, clarflourish, any day. We should justly question the soundness of Lots own ethics here, but it shows how seriously he takes Gods commandment to show hospitality. To interpret men having sexual relations with other men as sinful, unethical, or perverted without being aware of the concept of homosexual orientation is unfair.

For example, Leviticus 18:22 uses the word in this context: Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; it is an abomination. St. Jude was one of the writers for the New Testament, and St. Jude recognize that a sin is a sin is a sin. I am a wimp, praying for courage. Because America has legalized abortion, infanticide, sodomy, and is redefining marriage to also be a homosexual relationship, that because a homosexual marriage does not also have a possibility for procreation (and therefore, no responsibility for raising children), that legal responsibility within a homosexual marriage will at some time in the future be required only of one of the partners a legal adult. Truly I tell you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.. The horrors that would have happened to those girls if the crowd had taken him up on it. And they said, This fellow came here as an alien, and now he wants to play the judge!

Thats the bar. While there are few pro-abortionists who will point-blank tell you, Yeah, its a human. Likewise, while you will occasionally run into a homosexual man who will tell you straight. Thank God, Jan is at least fifty years out of date: society accepts gay people and gay relationships. They literally have one cause on the brain. Actually, I dont have a problem with homosexuals forming a loving relationshipsas long as that doesnt mean sexual contact outside of a marriage between a man and a women. The concept of sexual orientation was not proposed until the last third of the nineteenth century in Germany. Msgr, I wonder if perhaps the specific, or predominant, sin is as important to the story as the existence of sin itself. Its good to consult sources, but there is a lot more reliable information about Scriptural exegesis available from 20th century scholarship.

Andrew: http://haydock1859.tripod.com/id346.html, Ver. I applaud your work. Good observation, Keith! (Haydock) Abuse. The men of Sodom committed a sin of idolatry betraying the Lord by abusing His avatars Why do you think that homosexual act is not condemn in the New Testament?

Referring to sacred ministers, He says: They not only fail from resisting this frailty [of fallen human nature] but do even worse as they commit the cursed sin against nature. You are going against the words of God, the words of Jesus, and the words of the Prophets (which is, of course, the words of the Holy Spirit). 1. It is one thing to say that we shouldnt regard all homosexuals as pedophiles, but neither should we say they have nothing to do with it whatsoever. My sexuality is Gods gift, to me and to my whole society: in our variation is our blessing. Monsignor: there are lies, there are damned lies and then there are statistics. Thanks for the post, Msrg. protect you from all evil I was simply adding a layer, and reflecting on what is far more pervasive than SSA and acts of homosexuality.